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Garbage in, garbage out is perhaps a good description. Most like all other climate models or rather, whatever in, garbage out.

The elephant is the circulation
ENVA ENOP ENMO, Norway

I’m still waiting for a reasonable explanation of why there is virtually no correlation between dramatic increases in man made carbon dioxide production and an almost unchanged rate of sea level rise


Last Edited by Silvaire at 14 Dec 18:08

Before satellites, how could sea level change be measured?
Rise in level at a gauge is either sea rise or land fall. Land is not stable over long periods.
Rise is continuing in areas previously under the ice sheets. Both rise and fall occur in seismically active regions, such as island arcs.
Much of the data is over a very short time period.
A shop installs a super accurate data system. It enables instant analysis. Horror. For 2 seconds they are paying rent, power, staff, stock costs, but no-one has bought anything. Bankruptcy???

Maoraigh
EGPE, United Kingdom

Latency perhaps? Whats the ratio of the mass of the atmosphere vs the mass of the water?

I actually do see an increase in the angle of the graph of the water temp. Subtle but visible.

Any more recent data than 2016 by chance?

Private field, Mallorca, Spain

aart wrote:

Latency perhaps?

For sure. The climate is highly nonlinear. Cetchup effects everywhere. Nothing happens for a long time, and all of a sudden everything happens.

The elephant is the circulation
ENVA ENOP ENMO, Norway

Much more likely the SL rise was happening anyway due to some natural factor, and the man-made effect accelerated it after a certain point. So there are two drivers behind the SL rise.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Silvaire wrote:

an almost unchanged rate of sea level rise

The diagram you showed seem to indicate an increasing rate starting about 1980.

Can you say something more about that particular diagram? Is it some world ocean average or a particular measuring station?

ESKC (Uppsala/Sundbro), Sweden

The SL rise is presumably due to thermal expansion of the water column. The N polar ice cap is fully floating already, while the S polar ice could be contributing.

What I find curious is the pretty straight line over so many years.

As a general comment, there is overwhelming evidence that researchers wishing to dig into this area will not get funding. You get the same in medicine, genetics, etc.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Global coal use to reach record high in 2023, energy agency says:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/15/global-coal-use-to-reach-record-high-in-2023-iea

Maoraigh
EGPE, United Kingdom
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