Aero Friedrichshafen EDNY 19-22 April 2023

@Ibra, not sure about your experience of being at, or flying into Oshkosh is, nor from where you get those de-typoed numbers…
But I’d would think that the vast majority of Oshkosh, or AirVenture to specify the time period, fly in without a FPL, if ATC Flight Plan is meant in the abbreviation you used.

As a fact, Americans are the best organisers of the world. And still, flying into AirVenture is not always plain sailing, despite the apparent simplicity of the act.

nor from where you get those de-typoed numbers

It’s from FAA website, 17695 to be precise

Going this year (in airliner & car)

Oshkosh, or AirVenture to specify the time period, fly in without a FPL, if ATC Flight Plan is meant in the abbreviation you used.

I am aware VFR does not require FPL in the system, neither in FAA or ICAO formats

To add to pedantry, are you saying you can fly there from Canada or cross ADIZ without FPL? or fly IFR in IMC from Rochester-Oskosh without India FPL?

@Ibra, the only thing I’m saying is that you are quoting movements, which in turn, the more so at the cited event, might only bear a small relation to the numbers of FPLs.

That is true, I stand corrected it’s not the count of FPL in system

US ATC, don’t need FPL or CTOT, they will give you LAHSO or HOLD

Yes, VFR flight plans in the US have nothing to do with ATC, nor movements count, and filing VFR flight plans in the US isn’t super common anyway in 2023.

Also, I’d bet 90% of the arrivals at Oshkosh are not talking to any ATC prior to starting the published VFR arrival procedure for the event, which BTW does not include two way communication with Oshkosh tower unless requested. Otherwise nobody calls tower and only the controllers talk.

I tried to book a slot but check-out simply didn’t work and I didn’t get confirmation. I sent email and reply was that they hadn’t found my booking with recommendation to try again tomorrow.

Peter wrote:

One is “cultural” and the other is that anybody selling a solution looking for a problem (the aerops landing etc fee payment system;

My experience is that it would be great to have a way to pay landing fees at any airport via an app. I think that’s their original value proposition. I’ve used it a few times and it worked pretty well.

My day job is managing a team of IT people that support customers who have millions (sometimes billions) of visitors to their websites, and while not “easy”, building a website that can scale out to handle a few thousand simultaneous visitors is basically a 10 minute interview question.

Peter wrote:

The whole bodged edifice by the cowboy outfit called “Aerops” crashed yesterday, apparently due to many failed payments, so they shut it down and say it will be restarted today 10am German time.

Peter, your continuous (over several years and threads) and one-sided disrespectfulness against that company is appalling. It should be moderated, but well – you’re the moderator, so do as you please.

There is a few companies in European GA that are improving our lives. SkyDemon is one of them, AeroPS another one. Neither company gets everything always right. All of these companies are trying to earn money – much like you and I do, to then pour it into our avgas-guzzling airplanes. Nothing wrong with that per se. I would argue that maybe AeroPS better stay away from the Aero slot booking system pitch – for their own sake. The app for paying landing fees and fuel works well and is generally much appreciated in the German pilot community. It’s also going to be a game changer in establishing landings at unmanned airfields in Germany (see other thread).

Btw. I’m not affiliated with the company, just honestly irritated by the level of hostility displayed here. I did have a beer with one of the founders on a Friday evening in Friedrichshafen a few years back, I think you were sitting at the same table. ;-)