denopa wrote:
Having a foot in each country, I run into this very often. It’s super common when you go to a meeting in a large-ish office building to be asked for an official ID before you get in. I usually get away with a business card, but not always.
You are referring to France here, right?
In the UK of course the receptionist asks who you are and who you are meeting (and sometimes they prepare a ‘visitor badge’) but I have never known a receptionist ask anyone to produce ID. I would think they were nuts if they did.
chflyer wrote:
The first paragraph of the regulation quoted above refers to air carrier operations and a crew member employed by a union air carrier.
I fail to see that. Could you please put my nose on it?
The first paragraph of article 1 is:
The detailed measures for the implementation of the common basic standards for safeguarding civil aviation against acts of unlawful interference that jeopardise the security of civil aviation, referred to in Article 4(1) of Regulation (EC) No 300/2008, and the general measures supplementing those common basic standards, referred to in Article 4(2) of that Regulation, are set out in the Annex.
The first paragraph of the Annex is:
1.0.1 Unless otherwise stated, the authority, airport operator, air carrier or entity responsible in accordance with the national civil aviation security programme referred to in Article 10 of Regulation (EC) No 300/2008 shall ensure the implementation of the measures set out in this Chapter.
Which means that the airport operator is responsible that access to the SRA is done in accordance to that regulation, which means access only with one of the items (a) to (e) listed in section 1.2.2.2 reproduced above, or “positive identification via biometric data verification”.
chflyer wrote:
As far as identity cards are concerned, up until now a combination of pilot licence and national ID card or Passport has been accepted to pass through security to airside.
Exactly, and that’s why/how France failed the Commission inspection that they apply the regulation correctly.
chflyer wrote:
Is this somebody or some authority applying a new interpretation that may well be beyond the letter of the law?
In my reading it is completely according to the letter of the regulation; it might be considered non-proportionate (that is, the regulation should be more lax but is not), or it might be considered against the intent of the regulation. My reading is that the regulation was written without thinking of non-air carrier traffic at all.
Weird. So this is an EU regulation for years already and afaik Germany did nothing to implement it? Or did they in sofar as every pilot is regularly background-checked anyways via the ZÜP, so there’s no need to get another background-checked document?
Best not let any German security official see this thread, they might be “inspired”…
MedEwok wrote:
Weird. So this is an EU regulation for years already and afaik Germany did nothing to implement it?
I don’t particularly remember being granted access to any SRA in a German aerodrome (colloquially, being mixed with commercial traffic passengers or planes) without having been bussed by an airport employee… Either the GA parking/apron is separated from the commercial apron, or I was bussed. Do you have counterexamples?
MedEwok wrote:
Or did they in sofar as every pilot is regularly background-checked anyways via the ZÜP, so there’s no need to get another background-checked document?
Is the ZUP valid for one year only? If it is valid for three years (or if its done purely on basis of criminal record without access to intelligence information), then it is at most a “standard background check” and cannot be basis to issue a Crew Identification Card (CIME). If it is valid for longer, then it is not even a “standard background check”. Section 11.1.7.(b) of the Annex of the Regulation.
Peter wrote:
Is this not the same EU reg?
Yes, it is the same.
From that other Thread, I like the idea if issuing my own boarding card.
I seem to remember my girlfriend and I getting a boarding card to access our aeroclub Robin on a trip to Elba back in 2018… 
The ZÜP is valid for five years. At EDDV one has to go through a security check at the GA terminal that is very similar to what passengers go through (except nobody bothered to take away my Swiss pocket knife), then you can enter the apron unaccompanied.
When I once arrived as a visiting pilot (still student pilot actually) I was bussed with a follow me car. Same at EDDW.
skydriller wrote:
From that other Thread, I like the idea if issuing my own boarding card.
Wait until you try departing Nantes at night when ACB is closed, usually someone from aeroclub who hold the badge will escort you to aircraft…they asked the boarding card question to my step mum (wife managed to get away with pilot gliding license and I showed my airport badge), negative? they ask us to take her to ‘oversized baggage department’ as it’s the only way for her way to go air-side, lot of hassle but a funny story
MedEwok wrote:
At EDDV one has to go through a security check at the GA terminal that is very similar to what passengers go through (except nobody bothered to take away my Swiss pocket knife), then you can enter the apron unaccompanied.When I once arrived as a visiting pilot (still student pilot actually) I was bussed with a follow me car.
Your second paragraph seems to suggest that the first paragraph applies only to based pilots, not visiting pilots? Are these based pilots not known to the airport, and didn’t they follow an airport security awareness training? If yes, then technically the only missing thing is that maybe you didn’t get an airport identification card to “show” that you are known to the airport.
To clarify and insist, the current discussion, and the “new” CIME card is not about accessing one’s aircraft at one’s home base. Based pilots already have (or can obtain) an airport identification card for this. This is about accessing one’s aircraft at any SRA of any (French) aerodrome that has a SRA.
