lionel wrote:
The link to “commercial traffic” is that aerodromes that have commercial traffic must have a “security restricted area”, the parking area of the aircraft serving commercial traffic must be a security restricted area. That is not the case of farm strips, aerodromes with only non-commercial traffic, etc. They are not required to have a “security restricted area”.
I’ve not flown to France (myself) for decades so I don’t know what the pratices have been – but the way this is solved in the places I’ve seen, both home and abroad, is segregating GA from the “security restricted area”. Then the issue is moot.
To do that you need the will to do it, and in certain countries there is not much will, because less traffic = less work for everyone, which is the best outcome.
Until the airport shuts completely, but nobody thinks about that.
This is the pattern we see almost everywhere, especially in “southern” Europe.
Does anyone know what France will do to enable foreign pilots to obtain this ID?
Isn’t this the same topic?
I’ve not flown to France (myself) for decades so I don’t know what the pratices have been – but the way this is solved in the places I’ve seen, both home and abroad, is segregating GA from the “security restricted area”. Then the issue is moot.
Many do but I understood they got audited and tested on that ACB vs CAT separation and things were deemed not enough…I think they send a private pilot was wearing Hawaii t-shirt who managed to put a candy near every B737 in most airport that mix GA & CAT, the CIME badge will save the show apparently, it’s hard to get compared to a PPL
I don’t understand the above.
The rumor is that this requirement for CIME comes from an audit where someone doing that audit penetrated few airports restricted areas that already have Aeroclub vs Airlines segregation pretending to be a private pilot…
Peter wrote:
Does anyone know what France will do to enable foreign pilots to obtain this ID?
I understood it’s possible but one has to join AOPA or FFA, send them identity papers and/or criminal records, do the afternoon online session…also, one can apply directly to DGAC if they are ‘employed in the airport’ (e.g. ATO/DTO paid staff) but this costs way more
So, hang on, no more flying to France (to most of the airports which “might” have airline traffic, on a really very good day, like Caen or bigger) until you join the FFA or AOPA ??
How do other countries comply with this Brussels rule? How can I fly to, for example, Dortmund?
Peter wrote:
So, hang on, no more flying to France (to most of the airports which “might” have airline traffic, on a really very good day, like Caen or bigger) until you join the FFA or AOPA ??
You can, you “just” need to be escorted by an airport pass holder. How much that costs is another question.
Furthermore, the security restricted area is not necessarily active all the time. I think I remember that at Deauville LFRG, there is a sign “security restricted area active” or “security restricted area not active”, my understanding is that they activate the restriction from “before the commercial airplane arrived” to “after the commercial airplane departed” or something like that. Outside of these times, the apron is reclassified as not a security restricted area, and people can access it without a crew identification card. That’s my half-guess half-understanding.
Also I stress that in theory, one doesn’t need a French CIME to access the SRA (Security Restricted Area – ZSAR in French) of French aerodromes. A Lufthansa pilot accesses the SRA with his Lufthansa-issued crew identification card. Doesn’t even need to be a EU/EASA/Eurocontrol member state card, there is an international ICAO standard about this, and e.g. United crew identification cards are perfectly recognised as valid to access the SRA of LFPG!
So if “all” CAAs of the EU/EASA/UK put some goodwill into it, each of us should be able to a Crew Identification Card that is “certified/authorised” by our respective CAA, after an “enhanced background check” (valid maximum 1 year…) of our respective country’s police/intelligence services, and it should be recognised EU-wide, if not ICAO-wide. It should does not mean it will, so AOPAs should be working on that, at least EU/EASA/Eurocontrol/UK-wide. I hope I will have good news on this subject in the not too far future.
The first paragraph of the regulation quoted above refers to air carrier operations and a crew member employed by a union air carrier. Neither applies to us so the rest of the regulation would not be applicable.
As far as identity cards are concerned, up until now a combination of pilot licence and national ID card or Passport has been accepted to pass through security to airside.
Is this somebody or some authority applying a new interpretation that may well be beyond the letter of the law?
Peter
So, hang on, no more flying to France (to most of the airports which “might” have airline traffic, on a really very good day, like Caen or bigger) until you join the FFA or AOPA ??
This is the rub for Private pilots.
The IBAC Crew Card which most Airlines use, is only issued to Commercial firms that can do the official checks.
In the U.K., the AOPA card does not come up to these standard and so is (unless changed) unacceptable.
Without an acceptable card – or one like mine shown above which does seem to work – a private pilot is reliant on being accompanied by someone who has acceptable ID – a process verging towards Compulsory Handling.
chflyer wrote:
The first paragraph of the regulation quoted above refers to air carrier operations and a crew member employed by a union air carrier. Neither applies to us so the rest of the regulation would not be applicable. As far as identity cards are concerned, up until now a combination of pilot licence and national ID card or Passport has been accepted to pass through security to airside. Is this somebody or some authority applying a new interpretation that may well be beyond the letter of the law?
You have to admire how EU regulations are made, written and interpreted 
What is lovely is that I have flown in US international airports, TSA agents will wave you through with smile if you show your FAA plastic card (you are escorted by your partner wearing vacation t-shirt and flip-flops), maybe the assumption is everybody with PPL has TSA clearance? or US are not into ZSAR or CIME business for GA?
