This may be a boost to Russian industry. Lots of start-up opportunities. This apparently happened in Rhodesia, (now Zimbabwe) when it was embargoed. Russia is much bigger, does not have a racial divide insurrection, and may benefit in the long term.
Invest at home instead of squandering on football elsewhere.
Maoraigh wrote:
Russia is much bigger, does not have a racial divide insurrection, and may benefit in the long term.
Good luck with that. They had about 30 years to do it and didn’t. Russia is a Third World shithole with nukes. The latter being the problem.
Total size of Russian economy ($1.5t) in 2020 was somewhere between Italian ($1.9t) and Spanish ($1.3t) with population 2.5 times bigger than Italy and 3 times than Spain. In today’s world I somehow doubt it’s possible to pull out such economy from recession relying on internal investments and exchange with limited number of countries.
This is from Simbabwe:
Industry there means a factory for chicken wings or canned food besides exploration of natural resources. This is certainly not something Russia is aiming for. A factory for anything even a little bit more complicated, say a factory for a robust and cheap car, a tractor or anything electronic, needs access to machinery and if you don’t want to go fully mechanic (which requires long lost knowledge and experience) you need access to microchips. Unless they have 100% of the supply under their control they are heading in the same direction as North Korea.
A factory for anything even a little bit more complicated, say a factory for a robust and cheap car, a tractor or anything electronic, needs access to machinery and if you don’t want to go fully mechanic (which requires long lost knowledge and experience) you need access to microchips. Unless they have 100% of the supply under their control they are heading in the same direction as North Korea.
It’s not only the loss of access to high technologies. Russia is also plagued by the unpopularity of engineering and scientific education to a much greater degree than first-world countries. On top of that, there is a tremendous brain drain and a tremendous corruption in the education system. Bribing the professor for a passing grade is something people openly talk about. Even with a lot of political will, it will take a couple of decades to reverse that trend.
This whole thing is just totally astonishing, to see it happen in post-medieval times.
Every day, a list of new sanctions. Every day, a list of Russian battlefield losses which already exceed their 20 years in Afghanistan.
Yesterday, a report that out of several hundred tanks in long term storage only 1 was in a running condition because key parts were stolen.
No value attached to human life. The tanks they are deploying now are old WW2 ones without reactive armour. 100% loss rate against any anti tank weapon.
Killing civilians just for fun. Nothing changed since WW2…
Putin has managed to drag Russia back to the status of the Peoples’ Republic of Upper Volta.
It’s hard to see how they will come back out of there.
So far, according to Ukraine:
Russian troops had lost 582 tanks, 1,664 armored fighting vehicles, 294 artillery pieces, 93 multiple rocket launchers, 52 air defense systems, 121 aircraft, 127 helicopters. 7 boats, and 56 drones.
Ukrainian losses are probably quite big too. You can see some numbers here.
Ultranomad wrote:
On top of that, there is a tremendous brain drain
News from a week before were that around 50000-70000 IT professionals has already left. If you add their family members and those that are not the members of that association you are at around half a million people that has already left, and many mroe are preparing to leave or changing jobs to the employer that is happy to relocate them.
Peter wrote:
It’s hard to see how they will come back out of there.
“Managing expectations”?
They’ve already said that the main goals outside DNR/LNR has already been achieved. So now they might move around for a few weeks, find some empty fields, bombard those and claim that “the enemy was destroyed”. “Simples” (c)
Maybe somebody told Putin that Russia can generate enough money if they all turn up on freelancer.com and offer to design leaflets and write little bits of PHP for 50 USD each.
I am sorry to tell him that everybody in Ukraine who can use Photoshop or can write in VC++ or PHP is already doing that.
Perhaps they think they can return to the glory days of building a binary compatible VAX11-780. Well, anybody smart enough to do that has already left, or is about to.
It’s great to see the united Western response to this atrocity. Not so sure whether we would have had such a seamless response while the previous POTUS would still be in charge.. So a thank you to our NATO partners across the pond. Regarding the sanctions it’s almost as if all ‘powers that be’ have been reading this thread and have felt ashamed of the initial mocking 
Also very impressive how UKR stands up, and that even youngsters from Belarus are starting to help out.
Yes, Russia is going to the dogs and that’s horrible for the population there but also outright scary. Let’s assume that Putin has not lost his mind (that’s really scary..). Of course he knows exactly what’s going on at the battlefield at ground level, and in the economy. So he realizes that things are really going down the drain. So he’s cornered, assuming his Chinese friend is not easily going to bail him out economically. What kind of future is there for him? None. So a guy like him, without any regard for human life, probably not even for his own family, may start to do the unthinkable, like closing the gas valves and, worse, throwing nukes around.
So rather than keeping to push him further into the corner I still believe we need to give the guy some slack. Let him have the Donbas and Lukansk regions and keep Crimea. There’s no way that these would ever become a peaceful part of UKR anymore anyway. So he can declare some sort of a victory and save face. UKR will still need access to the Black Sea though Odessa. Part of the deal would be to ease part of the sanctions, or maybe even all. Doesn’t matter because the damage is done. The punishment remains on so many levels. No more Western investments (so many more things than just aircraft leasing), complete brain drain (IT talent is very welcome here), an accelerated push to become independent of Russian oil and gas, Anonymous exposing the dealings of the clan etc etc.
Well, I guess an ordinary bystander like me has no idea what is happening behind the scenes. Maybe talks are further along than we think and maybe even along the lines above. Who knows.
And there will hopefully be a concerted effort to get rid of him and his cronies afterwards. Hey, maybe this all turns out in a positive way. We’ve seen an earlier revolution in Russia! Let it be without bloodshed though. I know, that’s a bit of wishful thinking.
Ultranomad wrote:
The Russian Ministry of Transport ordered the Air Navigation Service to develop databases in-house, but it may take long.
Depends how they are going to go about it. For national purposes, all they can do is a change freeze and continue to fly with the current DB relabled. As they are not flying internationally, they don’t really need any data outside Russia for now.
Even if they wish to do a world wide cycle update, they can easily get someone to forward them a database set from one of the large sources and then adapt it and generate the kits for their FMS’s. Who’s gonna talk copyright laws to them? Developing their own will take time. But as long as they have the means to generate the specific datasets for the FMS’s / GPS’s they need to feed, getting the soucre data is not that difficult.
