CV19 will probably end up being another respiratory virus which kills a few tens of k every year, just like the flu does.
The long term difference is that a lot more people will get vacced. With the flu, almost nobody bothers to get vacced. It tends to be old people, and AFAIK some doctors tend to do it. But vaccination will be important because without it you will be back to the original mortality of ~1% which is a lot – say 650k for the UK.
I think in dark ages they could not get vaccines prototyped or approved in 12months 
while transmissions were not as far as today, the only choice was the virus will kill whoever gets killed, it was happy life back then you don’t have to get “yes vax” and “no vax” people to agree on anything coming out fake news or media/politics…
Ted wrote:
It’s amazing how people just seem to ignore the lessons of history.
“Never let a crisis go to waste” … the only thing that changes is the cover story, it’s now based on “science” which is pitched to the masses as a kind of religion, with human nature unchanged in its response. However, imperfect technology is actually what we have in the tool box for tackling nature.
The anti-vaxxers have a valid perspective on the long term threat of totalitarian government in this situation. Telling them they are ‘wrong’ only strengthens their entrenched position, because from that perspective they very clearly aren’t wrong. The only problem is that they ‘shoot themselves in the foot’ in making their statement. Better to get vaccinated and ramp up both political pressure and civil disobedience in pushing back. It’s a more effective tactic, not self destructive.
I was recently requested by my company to register my vaccination status in my online HR record, in compliance with new state law. It seems almost every employee I’ve spoken with has forgotten to do it. The company won’t say a word, their only legal obligation was to ask. And so it goes.
Silvaire wrote:
I was recently requested by my company to register my vaccination status in my online HR record, in compliance with new state law.
Welcome to california.
I hear the exodus is getting crazy 
US state governments generally have no record of who is vaccinated, only how many. So they try to develop the database through the back door, using commercial resources to do it. Then later on they can collect the data and use it for some newly invented purpose.
Re California, there is indeed a demographic shift, with the middle class starting to leave, more so after Covid. The Governor of CalifornIa tried to track those moving from the state and tax them after they’d left! He was informed that this was unconstitutional, the whole idea of having US states being that you can leave without notification or application if another is better run for your purposes. Now he is up for a recall vote, for this and even more so his 2020-21 Covid related ‘orders’.
Information is power. It’s endless. Eternal vigilance etc.
gallois wrote:
So no one knows anything and whatever method a Government chooses to fight this virus remains hit and miss, and we’ll get wave after wave and lockdown after lockdown.
That is pretty much how it may turn out, now that it has spread to the extent that it has.
gallois wrote:
Get vaccinated and then ignore it and carry on life as normal.
Pretty much.
I think @Graham’s post sais what many did not understand, for the simple fact that most of us are not doctors or specialists in infectious diseases. I also think that a lot of facts about Covid only became available with time. In the beginning, everyone tried to make sense of it and found that a lot this virus does was not expected. Hence conventional thinking did not work anymore, once the horse had bolted.
The vaccination still is a game changer, provided enough people take it and are also prepared to update with booster/variant shots if necessary. So yes, get vaccinated and carry on is pretty much it. The more people vaccinate, the less the risk of further lockdowns and most measures will eventually be no longer necessary. If people now finally take the vaccines there is a reason for careful optimism indeed.
LeSving wrote:
The whole covid passport story has not even started yet, but it shows how frail the EU really is. It could collapse into dictatorship at the stroke of a pen at any moment.
Luckily Norway is not in
Ibra wrote:
I think in dark ages they could not get vaccines prototyped or approved in 12months while transmissions were not as far as today, the only choice was the virus will kill whoever gets killed, it was happy life back then you don’t have to get “yes vax” and “no vax” people to agree on anything coming out fake news or media/politics…
You might want to read up on the plague... that took several years to burn out. I suppose one reason why it is now called a dark age.
The latest update on mask use for fully vaccined people by the CDC.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance.html
Makes an interesting read.
I don’t really think any of these “organisations” have much of a clue.
The UK’s recent policy change was called epidemiological stupidity but clearly the WHO has little idea:
