At HIAL airports I phone to bookout. Then start up at my convenience. That’s VFR in a small SEP.
Taxying through the main apron, as instructed by ATC at Inverness, EGPE, I had a wing lift with what I thought was a gust, then a fish cargo jet asked for taxi and was reprimanded for not requesting startup. There’s a problem with big planes.
At Oban EGEO (AFIS airfield) startup is required in case schookids are on the apron, boarding or deplaning the Islander. It makes sense.
At Oban EGEO (AFIS airfield) startup is required in case schookids are on the apron, boarding or deplaning the Islander. It makes sense.
That is what I was told (same as Lands End really)
Until a few years ago I didn’t even know that SEPs need to ask for startup permission anywhere.
After all, you have:
Clearances are not required in a non-movement area, why would I ask to start my engine there?
Then I got shit for starting my engine without permission once in Danmark.
Since then I have asked in Denmark, nowhere else, and never had any other issues.
When based at Linate many years ago, it always amused me when Speedbird or Lufthansa called for start up they got a Standby in a laconic Milanese. My request for start up in a passable Italian always got me to jump the queue.
Very fond of Linate back in the day, I think you were greeted by at least five different services on arrival :) all in their different uniforms.
Ibra wrote:
it’s mandatory for all aircraft on IFR FPL
I just want to know where that is written.
As @boscomantico and others said it does seem to be a mess, and maybe an oversight by all the airports who expect you to make a startup request but don’t have it written in their official publication (AIP AD).
I do get the AMC1 SERA.14001 but that doesn’tt really say when a permission to start is required, only how to make the request.
I’ve also noticed some countries being more strict on it (those in eastern europe) than others (Germany/Sweden), while others are good at specifying when it’s necessary (UK IFR fields).
Cttime wrote:
I just want to know where that is written
I doubt it’s a SERA requirement but it comes from traffic management (see Eurocontrol ATCFM, Network Manager)
You definitely need to request ‘IFR start-up’ when having slots: ATC can deny it if it’s too early or too late to comply with your CTOT…in some airports, you also have Target Start-up Approval Time (TSAT) that is derived from taxi and runway sequencing
If you are departing IFR from small non ATS airfield, it’s mostly a convenience not requirement to call ATC by phone before your EOBT or CTOT to state that you want ‘start up’, so they can activate the flight plan and fit you in, this also saves the hassle of doing after takeoff where one can still request start-up after getting airborne
I am not talking about starting the engine, I can always do that without permission while in the apron (I am assuming we refer to ‘start up’ as in check flight plan, flow control…)
I just want to know where that is written
It isn’t – it doesn’t exist. For example at EGKA you can be on an IFR flight plan and just start up. In addition, you could be departing IFR with the tower unmanned if operating under an out of hours indemnity.
Somebody needs to send the DEP message but that’s a different matter.
you could be departing IFR with the tower unmanned if operating under an out of hours indemnity
A bit off topic to IFR & FPL flow management (in Golf one can make that in their head), still don’t you need ATS (or OPS, RFFS) to approve engine runs and/or runway operations out of hours?
Up to you to decide when you start 
In Stapleford, I used to ask RFFS (and John Chick as he owns airfield and house near my aircraft, unless I managed to park away close to runway on the previous day) for any out of hours ‘startup permission’ 
Ibra wrote:
I am not talking about starting the engine, I can always do that without permission while in the apron (I am assuming we refer to ‘start up’ as in check flight plan, flow control…)
Well, according to SERA “Request start-up” does mean a request to start engines! And you can not always do that without permission.
I have never heard of the other kind of start-up you refer to. Can you give some pointers?
Airborne_Again wrote:
Well, according to SERA “Request start-up” does mean a request to start engines! And you can not always do that without permission.I have never heard of the other kind of start-up you refer to. Can you give some pointers?
I am all with you. In my world ‘Request Start-Up’ is a reserved phrase from SERA and I’d never use it for anything else (following best practice after Tenerife …). Yes, when and where to use may look a mess in Europe, but it still always means the same – to my knowledge. Waiting to get educated other.
@Dimme: Your picture is incomplete. Non-movement areas can be part of the aerodrome (all regulations apply) or outside aerodrome (not all regulations may apply).
