Hi you need to do refresher training as required with a CRI or FI and then do a SEP proficiency check with an Examiner (see srg1157 form for the format) Because it is less than 3 years you don’t need to go through a DTO or ATO but if your school is an ATO that is fine.
MattL wrote:
You’re misreading (2) – an ATO is only required for complex aircraft, for an SEP the paragraph ii is applicable so can be DTO, ATO or instructorYou can do the refresher with your CRI, he then recommends you for proficiency check to the examiner.
No need for DTO or ATO involvement
@MattL, did I understand you correctly that if my SEP Class Rating has expired (end of March this year), then I have to get (our school is ATO):
1. Training with a CRI and
2. LPC with an examiner?
Thanks!
Where are you basing it given the current situation at Weston?
MedEwok wrote:
Yes, you haven’t flown for quite a while, but you have lots of experience afaik, so it should all come back quickly, shouldn’t it?
You’re only as good as your recent flights 
MedEwok wrote:
Dublinpilot, are you sure it wouldn’t be easier to just pass a checkride with a FE now, then get the training you need to reach your desired level afterwards?
Michal wrote:
But, unless you are out of flying for years /which is not your case/ it might be easier just go to checkride, even it will take few minutes/flights longer.
Thanks guys. For me there is little point in even going to that effort to be honest. Now that I know I don’t have to go to an ATO, and can use an independent CRI, this will be very easy for me to sort. I’ve easy access to a CRI that regularly flys the same aircraft. So getting back up to speed in the aircraft I’m used to will be very convenient.
I’ll feel a lot more comfortable doing the proficiency check in an aircraft that I know intimately. It’s only a week or two before it’s back in service so I wouldn’t be doing any other flying until it’s back anyway.
Thanks for the the advice and help with interpreting FCL.
Colm
to renew your recently expired SEP land you do not have to go to ATO. DTO or FI/CRI can fly with you as required (if required) and FE will fly with you afterwards to grant you another 2 years. But, unless you are out of flying for years /which is not your case/ it might be easier just go to checkride, even it will take few minutes/flights longer.
Dublinpilot, are you sure it wouldn’t be easier to just pass a checkride with a FE now, then get the training you need to reach your desired level afterwards? Yes, you haven’t flown for quite a while, but you have lots of experience afaik, so it should all come back quickly, shouldn’t it?
Last year I took the same route after not getting the necessary 12 hours to validate by experience. I was rusty but it was sufficient to pass the checkride. I took some more training, about 2 hours, with a FI afterwards. Licensing wise, this was much easier than getting my SEP rating back after it lapses.
It could be omitted deliberately, because (2) is the default situation referring to class and type ratings in general.
As using a DTO or freelance instructor is only possible for a limited subset of “all aircraft”, it may be that they therefore are only mentioned in the sub-paragraphs referring to those exemptions.
That very regulation (FCL.740) has been amended several times during recent years and I too suspect that mentioning only ATO in said sentence is an error resulting from multiple amendments.
The AMC at para e is quite clear that the assessment of the training required is by an ATO, DTO or instructor. I’ve never come across anyone interpreting it any other way.
