petakas wrote:
As GATEWAYS to other bigger International airports the problem is AIRSIDE SECURITY and not so much the safety aspect. You cannot leave an unattended aircraft depart from somewhere where occupants have not been security screened landside→airside and then land AIRSIDE in an International airport (your port of exit from Greece) i.e. like Kerkyra LGKR. The handler escorting you in (any) Kerkyra apron is not security personnel.
You could arrive from abroad to LGKR with an aircraft that has been parked in an unattended airport and without any security checks, so what’s the point of enforcing that when departing from Greek airports? This kind of nonsense is of course not in any way unique to Greece. There are lots of airports in other countries with a separate GA terminal and GA apron that still insist on security checks with X-ray and metal detectors when you could easily have brought in any amount of “interesting stuff” in your aircraft on arrival.
Fortunately there are places where this is handled sensibly. I picked up my wife at Göteborg/Säve (ESGP) last year. That airport is (well, was actually) a low-cost carrier airport which did not have a separate GA apron or GA terminal. At the exit to the apron, my wife asked if she should pass the security check and the staff said that I, as PIC, would decide if she should! Now, that is an entirely reasonable way of doing it.
Flyer59 wrote:
I had twice was that TWR controllers want to make me repeat clearances at 50 feet above the ground (in Milos I got the clearance on the apron and one more time just after the wheels left the ground. Approaching Milos I was denied a descent and told that I “had to cancel IFR” to descend. Now that was a first :-)
Just some notes. Milos does not have a TWR controller, it has AFISO – who does not provide ATC. Also the ATCO is not allowed to propose IFR cancellation. I’m not questioning you, but it would be more likely that the ATCO proposed a visual approach because you were forgotten high, but without cancelling the flight plan.
Flyer59 wrote:
None of us has problems with rules!
I can see this is a cultural thing. You have to understand the German mentality. Rules are order, without rules there is no order, only entropy. With entropy there is chaos ergo there is a breakdown in civilization. Without civilization there is no reason for existence. 
Isn’t order just a unique subset of entropy?
I love the Canadian system. Why cant they institute that?
In the Bahamas people are flying all over to unattended airports. But everyone flies to and from airports of entry and exit when arriving and departing from country. Yes there are criminals who break the law but not many compared to honest citizens. When the lawbreakers get caught they get slammed.Why inconvenience everybody because of a few? Use the grey matter God gave to figure out a better way to catch lawless individuals.
Hi atmilatos,
no, i was not “forgotten”. 30 miles out i called “standing by for descent” and got a “maintain 9000”…. 20 miles out I called “standing by for descent” and got a “descend and maintain 7000”…. Then when I was treally close I called “request descent” while i was still IFR and got the reply than I could only descend if I cancelled IFR and landed VFR. So i cancelled and landed VFR after a large circle, as you can see on the video.
C210
The Bahamas? Yes, But when you fly TO the Bahamas or come back to the US, there’s many rules for that and one has to be very careful about this stuff. Try leaving your airplane after landing in Fort Pierce before the customs officer comes to the airplane!
Actually, while there’s less “rules” in VFR flying in the US, in general i would say there’s just as many rules in the US as in Germany. They’re only different. Ok, you can buy an M16 or Kalashnikow in the supermarket. But (as a girl :-) try to swim topless in Hippie-California :-) Or drink a bottle of beer on the street. No problem in Munich :-)
Let’s not confuse a few things here.
Beliefs influence culture and culture influences rules, which in turn make people exhibit certain behavior, which then influences their beliefs and culture and it goes around – put in simple terms.
However, rules are usually made for a purpose and the rules are supposed to help to achieve the purpose. If they don’t achieve that goal, then the rules should be revised and better rules should be made.
So when it comes to airport security the question should be what should be secured and why? Frequently the What and the Why is replaced by only a How to apply something out of context. It is usually out of context, because the context is not shared between those who came up with the rules and those who are supposed to apply them. One thinks, while the other is supposed to only act and not think anymore …
I was only half serious, and joking, but I thought that’s obvious :-)
Ok
