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What percentage of GA aircraft fly permanently with a broken autopilot?

All my US rentals had working AP (except PA18)

In UK, I would say 90% of the whole fleet no AP, 50% of IFR fleet with IMCR holders have AP, 95% of fleet with IR holders who get vectored in LTMA have AP

In France, all aircraft I rented did not have an AP fitted except those at AstonFly, even one IFR Cirrus I rented east Paris had one AP fitted but it did not work, the ILS cloud break at LeBourget before scud running to Lognes under clouds to finally cast it into 600m wet pavement was a very intellectual exercise that is better not to be repeated ever again

Last Edited by Ibra at 15 Jul 14:55
Paris/Essex, France/UK, United Kingdom

UK syndicate: 1 inop Badin-Creuset

No surprise – this predates Apollo 11

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

AIUI Badin Crouzet is still around as part of a company, which I think is called Sextant avionics which produces avionics equipment for the likes of Airbus and Dassault.

France

gallois wrote:

Badin Crouzet

Of course!

Badin Creuset is the ovenproof version 😁

EGHO-LFQF-KCLW, United Kingdom

😄😄😄

France

I was actually wondering where I heard that (back to the kitchen )

Paris/Essex, France/UK, United Kingdom

One thing which most amazes me about GA is peoples’ tolerance for flying aircraft in absolutely awful condition. There must be “something” about this hobby…

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

It is economically irrational. A well presented squawk free, with good quality maintenance logs, adds a significant amount of value. I would suggest the bid/offer for a poorly presented, but otherwise sound, aircraft with scratchy logs may be as much as 50% (goggle eyes)

Oxford (EGTK), United Kingdom

The “something” about the hobby in my case is that I appreciate having lots of aircraft out there in all levels of condition, preferably rows of them to select from in any condition from as-new to unflown for decades. More planes than are needed in active service. That way anybody can buy one and make it their own over time, if they wish. It’s one of the main attractions to being involved in aviation for me, relative to having a lesser number of planes available. Mine was flown only once a year or so for several years before I bought it, because it needed repairs and wasn’t really airworthy (so I found). I was very happy to find it.

Re autopilots specifically, I’ve so far selected and bought two planes that had no autopilot. I have never flown a plane with an autopilot, and cannot myself find any enthusiasm for buying or maintaining one. While it may be ‘essential’ for some to have one, for my use it’s like having a cruise control on a motorcycle (I have one so equipped by the factory)… gingerbread that I’d rather not have installed.

Last Edited by Silvaire at 16 Jul 15:24

Actually I wonder, is there nowhere in regulation a provision of inop equipment on board an airplane?

I used to think that “inop” stickers on broken instruments is something which is used to mark MEL items, which get fixed at the next opportuniy. That some planes have “permanent” inop equipment i something I never understood.

I think that a reasonable way to motivate people to fix things is to set a time limit for how long an item may be labled inop before it either has to be repaired or removed.

The other bit which annoys me quite a bit are people who fly airplanes but donˆt bother to learn how the stuff on board works. Or even what it is.i wonder how these people ever passed transition training onto the airplane and how owners let people fly who donˆt know the first thing about what they are doing. I do mandate trainsition training for everyone who flies my airplane and we make darn sure that they know all of the equpment and how to use it. We also make sure they know performance and weight and balance.

I thought that should be normal standard for everyone flying a particular airplane. But obviously it is not.

LSZH(work) LSZF (GA base), Switzerland
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