There are some real advanced TMG’s like the Stemme S10 which has a maximum glide ratio of 50.
The Stemme S10 is not a TMG.
The FCL regulation says
“Touring Motor Glider” (TMG) means a specific class of powered sailplane having an integrally mounted, non-retractable engine and a non-retractable propeller. It shall be capable of taking off and climbing under its own power according to its flight manual.
The Stemme propeller is retractable
So you definitely need a Sailplane licence to fly a Stemme S10
Do you still have the TMG class rating in your PPL?
In my previous life I started with gliders but never got the PPL-C. After earning the PPL-A I also got the PPL-B but never used it much to fly motorgliders solo.
To be honest my fantasy is about real gliders – no engine – and it may take few years until I actuall give it a try. So it’s just a memory lane thing and I’m just being curious. Flying the SR22 IFR will be kind of “work” and I may start dreaming about just flying more and more :-)))
Stephan, did you get glider rating in your previous life or no? you mention you started on gliders. The current rule should be that if your rating is expired for less than 5 years you can renew it on competency basis, so your instructor will decide. If more than 5 year you need to pass theory – but not in case you have PPL-SEP current. Mine is <5 and I am planning /and hoping/ to renew it and get a new SPL for both GLD and TMG – which has unlimited validity, not 2 years like SEP. But one must keep flying to keep it alive. The good news is that 5 necessary hours to keep TMG alive can be done in SEP. so by flying SEP you keep your TMG valid.
Well, you could get your rating in one of the commercial gliding schools:
http://www.segelflugschule-oerlinghausen.de/
http://fliegerschule-wasserkuppe.de/
http://www.abenteuer-segelflug.com/
http://www.dassu.de/
http://www.edqe.de/home/index.php/de/
http://www.hdlsj.de/verein/home.html
http://www.segelflugschule-luebeck.de/
http://flugschule-zellamsee.at/de/index.php
http://www.schaenissoaring.ch/home/
Perhaps this will be the first holidays, where you can go soaring and your family goes shopping.
TMG’s like the Scheibe Falke 25, Grob G109 or the Diamond Super Dimona are cheap to rent and they should be available in your area.
I have both a TMG and a SEP rating, and the TMG rating is automatically extended when the SEP checkride is done (or vice versa).
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TMG rating sounds very interesting. That is probably a route I should look into further. And those motor gliders can probably be rented from a commercial outfit. Can they?
The main reason for my question is about being able to enjoy gliding without all the other things attached to it.
mh has it. However, I would need to add is that the cross country (50 km solo or 100 km dual) needs to be done in a glider or a TMG. Any SEP cross countries you may have done, do not count.
AFAIK the EASA GPL and LAPL regulations come into effect latest in april 2015. They were released two or three years ago and became EU law almost immediately, but individual EU countries could file “derogations” to postpone the implementation. These derogations were possible until april 2015, so in effect they will be law EU-wide during this years gliding season.
And no, a target landing (or a series of target landings like we had here in NL) is no longer official part of the EASA syllabus, experience requirements or exam requirements. However, I’ve got the sneaky suspicion that countries who currently mandate a target landing requirement somehow, will keep on squeezing it into the syllabus somewhere.
Furthermore, traditionally the cross country was never part of any gliders license. In fact, in the Netherlands you were only allowed to start training for cross country flying once you had the GPL. I’ve spoken to some instructors and they are very, very reluctant to send their students solo on a cross country before they’ve obtained the GPL. So it looks like the only way you are going to be able to fulfill the cross-country requirement, at least in the short term, is to do it in a TMG, dual. That’s the only way the instructors currently feel comfortable with.
I guess this is another one of my ‘romantic flying dreams’ :-)
I thought about taking the family in the SR22 to eg. Spain and while the family does something else go glider flying or take one of them up in a two-seater like the ASK 21 that I remember from the 1980s.
Needs some more research and putting in a question to the authorities. What I know I won’t like is any kind of “verein”. The other part of the activities in a gliding club drove me away from it in the first place.
Hi Stephan, you could also consider getting a TMG rating on your PPL. That takes just a couple of lessons and a checkride.
