Flying Germany to Poland

Back to this topic, that AD1.1-3 section wording comes from ICAO template, that template was initial proposed by North Korea, Venezuela, Sudan…as it strictly prohibit flying operations in non AIP aerodromes

I would say, that wording out of touch with reality of private operations and things like Schengen….I think the intention was “scheduled flights”, “civil aviation”, B747 and A380

Some countries like Italy & Spain and even USA did a great job in AD1.1 to explicitly say it’s not an issue for ultralights, private aircraft and only apply to airliners

Some countries like France & UK, prohibit international & national flights to AD that are not in the AIP, if one is naive enough to believe AD1.1-3, there are no ULM or Microlights strips in France and UK as far as AIP1.1-3 is concerned

I think Poland just copied that entry as well from ICAO template, hope the explanation takes some mystery away

Just ignore when you fly Poland-Germany

Here is what UK say,

Here is what France say,

Google Search on that wording comes handy, almost every AIP has that crap written…

The Notam for border crossing VFR flights to use only point 6 airports for first landing was generated because of POPE s visit in Poland. He is already out of country and we can fly intra Schengen as earlier.

Confirm. On my IFR flight back from EPPO (Poznan) to the munich area ATC had me do a pretty long detour around some active military training zones, and only after I requested a “back on course to destination” several times I got a course to destination. All in all my feeling was that ATC in Poland is less relaxed than in the Czech Republic where I fly regularly.

And yes, you can fly to EPKG from any airfield in Germany and you don’t need a flight plan as long as you stay in uncontrolled airspace.

We had NATO summit this year and some other catholic event which caused border control and some no-fly zones. They’re over now, so all should be back to normal. Recently one Russian aerobatic pilot was flying to compete in Radom and touched a catholic no-fly zone. He got to meet two F-16s, so I advise to stay in touch with FIS. They’ll tell you if you’re about to fly somewhere that you shouldn’t.

Seems again like we simply worry too much

That’s interesting.

You can see Polish version on the left, which uses “to/from a country not being part of Schengen group” being translated as “international” on the right.

I did this a couple of weeks ago, my experiences and other people’s responses are here:

http://www.euroga.org/forums/trips-airports/6507-egtc-cranfield-to-epop-opole

and here

http://www.euroga.org/forums/flying/6438-crossing-borders-within-schengen-zone?page=8

That is indeed a confusing topic. Especially at this moment.

In pratice, it was as you said, i.e. EU/Schengen-internal flights could be operated to or from any airfield. For example, I flew EDHL-EPKE last summer.

This doesn’t mean it was strictly legal, because as you said, AIP VFR ENR 1.2-6 said and still says that international flights (of which the definition is clear) may only fly to or from those 18 airfields. Denmark is a similar situation, where theory (AIP entry) and practice are different.

In fact, compliance with that rule for Poland is mostly unenforceable, because for many flights, a flightplan is no longer manadatory.

Then, in July, Poland had a NOTAM (C365/16) which changed the practice somewhat, i.e. people who did file a flightplan, and indicated an airfield different from those in the list, had their flightplans suspended.

That NOTAM, AFAICS, has not been renewed. So, probably, we are now back to the situation before July, i.e. even if you file a flightplan, it will work. But not sure.