EDFM79 wrote:
we talked to two maintenance shops and they found the question not that simple
Well it is true that IPC effectivity is not always enough to install an optional part: ie the IPC will not always tell you interrelationship with all other parts required for that system to work. Furthermore, installing a certain part required for FIKI does not ensure it is enough for FIKI, it just confirms it as required. ie: IPC is not necessarily enough to ensure applicability of a certain AFM/POH approval (ie the FIKI supplement).
In this case however you are in luck because the FIKI AK describes all that is required for FIKI, including prerequisites. A knowledgeable CAMO or ARC inspector should be able to validate that, just make sure to have the discussion in advance and not after the fact when you need ARC renewal with him!
I would also engage someone knowledgeable to build the AK kit for you or else be prepared to devote a big effort to put it together, and in both cases to use the “owner accepted part” get out of jail card with a significant number of used parts (again prevalidate this concept with your CAMO/ARC and installer).
Received your PM, will answer shortly.
yeah – the merger confused me also a bit but am up to it again 
So the initial thread was when we were considering the plane – now it is ours and I have more facts about the equipment installed to pursue the idea
Peter wrote:
Your earlier thread on this topic has been merged with this one
It took me a few minutes to figure that out!
GA_Pete wrote:
Does it not also require a heated/anti Ice stall warner?
Yes it is part of AK210-162K
The US “FIKI” is a US-only concept anyway, because in legal terms it maps onto US weather services, etc.
Your earlier thread on this topic has been merged with this one
…to add…
I do not plan to knowlingly fly hardcore IFR in icing… so the equipment needs to be legal but I do not need dispatch into ice capability; I am after the functionality in case forecast was wrong etc. and I ended up in icing unknowingly beforehand
Thanks for all comments!
…I should indeed add that the aircraft will be on the German register – hence EASA rulin applies.
@CharlieRomeo
Exactly my thinking – why worry about something which is actually certiefied, was an option and flies around today – even in EASA-Country but we talked to two maintenance shops and they found the question not that simple
@WilliamF
That is part of what I am trying to achieve here 
@Antonio
Thanks for the extensive answer – we very deliberatly went for a R model for exactly the reasons you stated paying a premium and did extensive avionics upgrades; and we are still far cheaper than buying a Cirrus with more versatilitiy. But that is of course a singleminded statement
We got all installed already apart from some pipes, the valves, timers and the boots. We already got ex factory the hot prop, ice light, heated stall warning, dual alternator, etc. etc. etc.
The only AK I found was AK210-180B “Wing & Horizontal Stabilizer De-Ice System” but that only covers S/N 21064536 thru 21064897 (think that is the last “N” number); we got 210-64969 though.
As for your second post – I figured that also now… I doubt many are even aware that this partical plumbing etc. ever existed…
@GA-Pete
Yes – and that is installed already
BTW I am not surprised Textron answered in that way…most young Cessna support engineers do not even know these 1970’s publications are out there…but dont be misled, whether they know it or not, all of the above references are TC-approved data.
If you ask them very specifically you will get good answers. I would however refrain from asking unless you know exactly what you are asking. Otherwise the answers you get might set the wrong precedent for you. I suggest you get knowledgeable advise if you elect to go that route.
OEM-Q&A’s are a double-edged sword when you want to use them for regulatory approval: you need to pose the question guiding the answer to where you want it : ie you need to know the answer before you ask the question.
Does it not also require a heated/anti Ice stall warner?
First of all congratulations: you have all the unique SEP-world-leading capabilities of a Cessna 210 at 200KTS cruise and long-range, heavy payload capabilities, but none of the truck-like handling treats of lesser 210 versions! Truly the king of SEP’s !
Well, you are not saying if this is N-reg, EASA reg or otherwise. The path is slightly different either way.
In all cases you will need approved data. As a 1970’s Cessna owner you are very lucky since all the data is available free of charge if you register online. You might have to pay tens of thousands for this data otherwise. Let me ellaborate:
You can use the IPC as approved data for the installation since it lists some deice/anti-ice options.
You can also use Cessna Accessory Kit (AK) pubs with a detailed listing of required parts as well as install instructions.
In your case, and assuming you have zero deice equipment, the steps required would be:
a) Install wing and horizontal tail boots using Parts Catalogue and SM (not free) as approved data
b) Install electric propeller anti-ice using AK210-179. The kit is not available at Cessna unless you are willing to pay high double-digit AMU’s and wait eons, but all individual parts should be available from your usual sources, some from Cessna.
c) Install deice light using AK210-163A. Same as the other AK.
d) And the critical one: install AK210-162K which will tell you all you need to convert your non-FIKI deiced T210R with propeller antiice and wing and horiz tail deice into a FIKI T210R:
It will even include instructions for panel placards with the FIKI approval.
Now you are not saying but it is also important to know whether you just want the equipment or also the legal “dispatch into ice capability”.
Under EASA reg there is no such thing as FIKI. You either have an icing conditions limitation on your AFM/POH or you don’t.
Under FAA there is a specific certification beyond the installation of equipment, and the only way to get the approval is using one of the previously approved designs, like the one I am referring above (that is unless you are willing to spend triple-digit AMU’s on certification)
The good news is the Cessna POH you already have most likely already includes the FIKi supplement, it is just not approved for you…unless you install the equipment per the above approved data.
You do NOT need separate approval since all of the above is type-certificate approved data (ie publications based on TC drawings) , all the way to the panel placards.
I however would discuss my plans with my ARC inspector (EASA) or IA (FAA) in advance to ensure they are comfortable with the idea.
Having said that, the cost of all that equipment is easily going to be around the 50 AMU mark or well above if you buy new from Cessna, and will involve significant labour, perhaps less so with your pre-installed plumbing.
Also, do not underestimate the parts sourcing effort required for a project like this.
You do not have TKS option available on your R model, so this is really your only practical full de-ice option.
Typically, it will be cheaper to source an aircraft with the equipment already installed.
