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Ever heard of having to bring an FI/IRI to a flight with you (in addition to the examiner) ?

Malibuflyer wrote:

Even if the examiner has the papers to be PIC, he not necessarily needs to be an Instructor as well

Not correct, see FCL.1000. An examiner certainly must have the privilege to instruct for what he wants to examine.

(a) General
Holders of an examiner certificate shall:
(1) hold, unless otherwise determined in this Annex, an equivalent licence, rating or
certificate to the ones for which they are authorised to conduct skill tests, proficiency
checks or assessments of competence and the privilege to instruct for them;

Last Edited by tschnell at 25 May 21:35
Friedrichshafen EDNY

Isn’t an examiner a higher category than an instructor?

An exam flight allows PIC time recording for both candidate and examiner. The examiner assesses if the candidate can do all of whatever on their own…

Curious to a source as to where it is written that the POH requirement of the PIC seating location calls for an examiner to also hold instructor ratings.

always learning
LO__, Austria

He can’t if the PIC needs to sit in the left seat by POH.

Germany

Are you sure about that? If an IRE has no IRI then he can’t sit in the right seat?

always learning
LO__, Austria

Even if the examiner has the papers to be PIC, he not necessarily needs to be an Instructor as well.

In aircraft where the POH says that the PIC needs to sit in the left seat, the only permissible exception is if an instructor acts as PIC from the right seat. An IRE who is not IRI does not qualify for that even if he is IR-rated and current as PIC.

Germany

Next question, does every IRE have CRI/TRI & CRE/TRE privileges of aircraft class & rating?

No

Can an examiner do SEIR test in PA28 with SEP & IRE without holding CRI/SE & CRE/SE?

Yes

can he do SEIR test in PA28 for candidates who hold SET but no SEP rating?

No. Candidates who hold SET but not SEP cannot do an IR revalidation in a SEP.

always learning
LO__, Austria

I stand corrected, so one has to be able to fly PIC but not necessarily act as PIC

Next question, does every IRE have CRI/TRI & CRE/TRE privileges of aircraft class & rating?

Can an examiner do SEIR test in PA28 with SEP & IRE without holding CRI/SE & CRE/SE? can he do SEIR test in PA28 for candidates who hold SET but no SEP rating?

Last Edited by Ibra at 24 May 16:34
Paris/Essex, France/UK, United Kingdom

Ibra wrote:

the IRE examiner does not need to be rated, current or assessed in the specific aircraft during the tests for IR, NIR, BIR, EIR

FCL.1000 Examiner certificates

(a) General

Holders of an examiner certificate shall:

(1) hold, unless otherwise determined in this Annex, an equivalent
licence, rating or certificate to the ones for which they are
authorised to conduct skill tests, proficiency checks or assessments
of competence and the privilege to instruct for them;

(2) be qualified to act as PIC in the aircraft during a skill test,
proficiency check or assessment of competence if conducted on the
aircraft.

London, United Kingdom

Peter wrote:

In the UK, all examiners (in GA) have PIC capacity

Indeed, the majority in UK who are in teaching & examining for IR have done CPL, CRI, IRI in single engine

In France, you have to look very hard to find a place to do CPL in SEP, CRI/SE, IRI/SE (1*ATO for CPL in SEP and 2*ATO for CRI/SE and IRI/SE), everybody else just do their CPL in MEP, CRI/ME, IRIR/ME using the like of DA42

Not many people will fancy IFR in Wassmer CE43

http://www.acop.net/

gallois wrote:

I believe it was logged in the double command column

That make sens then: you were actually flying PUT while the instructor CRI/ME was PIC and examiner CRE/ME was PAX

If examiner was RHS, the student can log PIC after pass !

Last Edited by Ibra at 24 May 11:03
Paris/Essex, France/UK, United Kingdom

Ha now you’re asking. I believe it was logged in the double command column. On the log books at the time SEP and MEP have columns under the headings PIC and Double command. Night, Instrument flights, IAPs and then a remarks column.

France
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