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Buying Piston Single and actually make money...?

My most (financially) valuable motorcycle would sell for about 50% more than my least valuable plane :-)

Re risk, I think it is so specific to the pilot, plane and ‘mission’, and likewise for the motorcycle, that you cannot say which is safer. For me a motorcycle is probably safer on the average, or so I’d guess.

Probably a bit of both. The main problem as far as I understand it is that if ever you unload the disc, it stops spinning. This might happen if you get into a PIO or have an engine failure. There are theories that by changing the thrust-line of the engine, and adding a horizontal stabiliser, you can make them safer. There is a new generation of autogyros that are billed as being much safer, but much as I like the idea, I’m inclined to let other pilots do the test flying.

autogyro pilots at about 1 death per 1500 hours;

Interesting! Why is that? Inherently dangerous aircraft? Poor training?

ESKC (Uppsala/Sundbro), Sweden

In the UK, motorcycling deaths are at 125 per billion miles (2012 figures). Assuming an average speed of 50mph, that would be about 125/(1 billion/50) = about .625 per hundred thousand hours which is at least in the same ballpark as aviation. If you allow that most planes will be going faster than a motorbike and probably have more passengers on average, they will probably come out slightly ahead.

The problem is that this figure will include people who are knowingly taking big risks (e.g. autogyro pilots at about 1 death per 1500 hours; possibly air ambulances and bush pilots who have fairly hair-raising accident rates) as well as people who are being cautious and sensible, but who get unlucky. As (IIRC Peter) pointed out, on a motorcycle however careful you are, your safety is dependent to a much greater extent on the actions of others.

Something else to like about aviation: the ratio of killed to injured people is probably higher. i.e. you’re probably less likely to end up surviving but with life-changing injuries.

To go even further off-topic, cycling would be far safer than driving, if it wasn’t for cars. Only about 1/100 cycling fatalities doesn’t involve a car.

Last Edited by kwlf at 01 Jun 00:55

@Flyer59 said:

Most of all Philipp has a lot of prejudice and distributes a lot of wrong information. And he will never correct any of it.

Interesting. Like what?

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EGTR / London, United Kingdom

Most of all Philipp has a lot of prejudice and distributes a lot of wrong information. And he will never correct any of it.

Concerning GA “recreational activity” safety I recommend this website. Philip hosts a lot of very interesting aviation related content:
http://philip.greenspun.com/flying/safety

Back to the topic of operating an airplane and remaining cost neutral or even profitable I gather that it is
- very capital intensive
- a small, saturated market
- difficult to predict all the variables (maintenance etc…)
- strongly regulated.

The used 20.000 Euro SEP could well turn out to be a good deal if you plan on flying it heavily yourself compared to what you pay by the minute for a chartered one, it could however also require an engine change and set you back 50.000 Euro plus.

To expand the topic a little further than the initial thread title:

Why is there so much more “GA” in the U.S.A. vs. E.U.? Geography? Public “acceptance” and need?
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Re the dangers, I have done about 150000km on motorbikes (1970s mostly, when the UK had 1/3 as many cars on the road as today, and far fewer “blind” people driving, if you get what I mean) and I’d say 90+% of the danger with bikes is car drivers hitting you. If there were no cars, the only dangers (for a non crazy person) would be oil or leaves on the road, and stuff like that).

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Well, I would only ride a Ducati…

How shallow is that ?

Bordeaux

I recall a statistic from the 90’s saying that light GA and motorcycles had about the same risk level.

I have heard this quoted several times, but I haven’t seen the source yet. Personally, I knew more people who died in flying accidents than in road accidents including motorbikes.

EDDS - Stuttgart
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