Ibra wrote:
French customs PNR is explicitly different from FPL
That is not customs (border crossing of EU customs zone border by goods or special fiscal status border by goods or or national borders by goods subject to excise or 5+ digits amounts of cash), but Schengen zone border crossing by persons.
Customs is in Chapter III in the same arrêté. In that chapter, article 15 simply refers to the “Code des Douanes”. On 25 April 2022, the Douane told me in writing that customs PPR/PNR are regulated (required by) arrêté du 20 avril 1998, but it seems to me that this one was abrogated by article 21 of “Arrêté du 24 octobre 2017 relatif au franchissement des frontières par les personnes et les marchandises sur les aérodromes”.
Lots of airports in Europe distinguish Immigration and Customs. The Q in this thread is whether a FP acts as a PN for these. I don’t think it does; the only airport where I was specifically told it does is LKPR. The NL situation referenced above is nonsense if taken generally.
Yes FPL butter no parsnips when it comes to PN, even if the obsolete Belgian & Dutch AIP say it does !
To add the cherry on the cake FPL via AFTN does not work in Netherlands, AIS/ARO has duty to file, receive & monitor VFR flights (and Y/Z as well), I am sure many SkyDemon users have messed up with (lost) FPL that were used for PN in the past before some workaround was found…
On a side question has anyone flown to MZ (EHMZ) or Texel (EHTX) from UK since Jan21? their AIP entries are dodgy, they distinguish immigration & custom?
Peter wrote:
in The Netherlands a flight plan can serve as PN.
Not at Texel if from/to UK. They are very insistent about Gendec forms and even copy them to customs themselves, even if submitted electronically.
Apparently in The Netherlands a flight plan can serve as PN. This can lead to disasters if tried elsewhere 
Dimme wrote:
deposit?One of the many false friends between french and english.
Poor translation for „submit“Correct
Poor translation for „submit“
deposit?
I’ve seen it maybe 3 or 4 times in France. The only example I can find now is Rouen LFOP:
I once called Beauvais (douane on request by telephone, no notification period) approx 13:00 local for a flight the next morning and was told it was too late. The airport person made zero effort, so maybe there had been past problems with the police/gendarmes/douaniers..? A send-and-forget notification system with limited interaction is better, as long as you have proof of sending and not doing anything wrong.
