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Toussus Le Noble LFPN

johnh wrote:

Someone I know certainly did – since he has an Aerostar, probably the person you mention. It was pretty unpleasant, too, in terms of the penalty. And, so he claims, doing 100 knots in an Aerostar is not just difficult but unsafe, because you are very close to Vmc.

How fast did he fly? The rules say 100 kt or 1.45xVs. For an Aerostar the latter would be around 110 kt, depending on the variant.

ESKC (Uppsala/Sundbro), Sweden

I used to fly a lot out of LFPN including annual MEIR check flights. You always really needed to be familiar with the airport to not receive complaints. Nowadays it is very difficult especially VFR even for those based there. The DSAC north really do come down on aircraft flying over the blue circles. I stay away now unless I have to.

France

Someone I know certainly did – since he has an Aerostar, probably the person you mention. It was pretty unpleasant, too, in terms of the penalty. And, so he claims, doing 100 knots in an Aerostar is not just difficult but unsafe, because you are very close to Vmc. The whole thing is nuts. LFPN is a pretty weird place anyway. I’ve only been there once, and it’s like flying in a one-ended tunnel.

LFMD, France

Apparently people actually get busted by DGAC for breaking that „speed limit“. Source: Aerostar driver on Beechtalk 😉

mri
LFSB, LFGA, Switzerland

Jujupilote wrote:

I would highly doubt that Total sell another RON 98 fuel (called SP98 in French) than the one they sell in all gas stations

Looks like I was wrong

LFOU, France

This rule isn’t restricted to VFR so all should comply.
But R35 is up to 1500ft AMSL. If IFR, you will climb quickly and be traffic separated.
Nobody cares about your speed in this case.

Last Edited by Jujupilote at 12 Feb 20:41
LFOU, France

The low speed is meant for noise abatement. It has been in the VAC for years. It does make some sense for traffic avoidance too.

Is it only for VFR departures? I don’t remember seeing it at SID.

LDZA LDVA, Croatia

The low speed is meant for noise abatement. It has been in the VAC for years. It does make some sense for traffic avoidance too.

I don’t recommend Toussus VFR to foreigners

LFOU, France

They specify 100kts or 1.45x stall speed, but the lhe latter is also about 100 knots for an SR22. It is still a terrible climbout and level flight speed for an SR22.

I agree. And due to low Vs for more-less all SEP and MEP, it applies practically to all. And how can ATC check/enforce this? They can see GS on radar, you can always claim wind, engine cooling problems etc.

LDZA LDVA, Croatia

They specify 100kts or 1.45x stall speed, but the lhe latter is also about 100 knots for an SR22. It is still a terrible climbout and level flight speed for an SR22.

That said, it does always make sense to fly at reduced speed in the circuit and circuit vicinity when flying these fast singles, as most other aircraft will be much slower. Airsmanship. But then, this applies mostly for approaching an aerodrome. On a departure, with no preceeding traffic, I would not fly that slowly.

And why prescribe everything? Sounds almost Swiss.

Mainz (EDFZ) & Egelsbach (EDFE), Germany
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