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Propeller damage during run-ups

Rwy20 wrote:

On planes with full engine instruments (i.e. 6 EGT probes), I am looking for an EGT rise from each cylinder when switching to each mag. For this, I bring up the RPM to whatever is written in the POH for the run-up, normalize the EGTs on the engine monitor and wait they’re fairly stable (maybe normalize again), switch to one mag, look for 6 EGTs rising, switch back to both, look for EGTs falling, and switch to the other mag and look for 6 EGTs rising again. This is definitely longer than a few seconds. But I would be interested to hear if there is a quicker way to do this check.

I do exactly the same and it doesn’t take more than perhaps 10 seconds. By the way the POH doesn’t call for this, so if you thought prudent (i.e. risk of stone chipping), you should weigh up each risk against the other. I’d prefer to skip checking EGT rise, as any faults there usually show up either in rough running, or a mag drop out of tolerance.

AnthonyQ wrote:

how many cycles of the prop are really necessary?

My POH says one time normally, but 3 times if cold. I believe it’s about getting warm oil flushed through the governor. May be totally dependant on what governor is fitted. In other words, follow the POH/manufacturers engine documentation.

Last Edited by Archie at 09 May 09:00

I think the practice of straining the crankshaft by cycling the prop multiple times is a throwback to DC-3 days when the governor design was different. Engine manuals usually only suggest one cycle. The feather gate check is at lower RPM so may be less stressful?

Oxford (EGTK), United Kingdom

Twice. Once to check feathering and once to check general operation of the CS system.

Fly safely
Various UK. Operate throughout Europe and Middle East, United Kingdom

To continue the discussion, how many cycles of the prop are really necessary? Notwithstanding that most POH say three times…

YPJT, United Arab Emirates

Archie wrote:

a run up doesn’t need to take longer than a few seconds

On planes with full engine instruments (i.e. 6 EGT probes), I am looking for an EGT rise from each cylinder when switching to each mag. For this, I bring up the RPM to whatever is written in the POH for the run-up, normalize the EGTs on the engine monitor and wait they’re fairly stable (maybe normalize again), switch to one mag, look for 6 EGTs rising, switch back to both, look for EGTs falling, and switch to the other mag and look for 6 EGTs rising again. This is definitely longer than a few seconds. But I would be interested to hear if there is a quicker way to do this check.

Pilot_DAR wrote:

I suggest the intent is that the aircraft be stationary for a run up.

Point taken! So we’re back to looking for a run-up bay that is properly maintained/swept, or a grass area. Or as someone else mentioned, do a run-up on the runway.

What we haven’t talked about is the ability to do a ‘quick’ runup. I.e. if you are familiar with the aircraft, and proficient, a run up doesn’t need to take longer than a few seconds to check what you are looking for! Minimise exposure to stone damage.

Last Edited by Archie at 06 May 08:33

Re run-ups while taxiing – be mindful of brake overheating. And resulting brake fading and possible wheel pants fires, for example on a Cirrus.

When faced with bad taxiways or otherwise problematic conditions, there is always the option to do the run-up on the runway, traffic permitting.

Biggin Hill

Archie wrote:

Does the POH say that runups need to be done stationary? No? They would if there is a pressing reason. So, the approved document does not mandate stationary runups.

A random check of five Cessna POH’s in my library (172 to Caravan) just now confirms that each one states as a first step for the run up “Parking Brake – Set”. I suggest the intent is that the aircraft be stationary for a run up.

Home runway, in central Ontario, Canada, Canada

As part of routine maintenance an aircraft engine needs to be run at full throttle to ascertain that maximum static RPM is within limits. Equally, if I’m doing a short field departure I will ensure max static RPM.

At all other times I’m acutely aware of FOD when at any sort of power setting above idle whilst on the ground. Probably something to do with an (un)fixed drain cover


which decided to rattle the propellor on a rather expensive TIO-540, resulting in a new prop and engine shock loading test.

Fly safely
Various UK. Operate throughout Europe and Middle East, United Kingdom

Peter wrote:

I would guess there is a range of stone weights within which they get sucked up and cause damage. Smaller stones will get sucked up but won’t ding the prop.

Yes, as I said before, it seems that contrary to ‘popular belief’ operating high static rpm on bitumen leads to worse ‘dings’ than operating on gravel strips. Gravel is well weathered and round, whereas the stones that come loose out of bitumen are nasty sharp things.

Pilot_DAR wrote:

Run ups on the go might be a solution, though I hardly see the authority approving that

Does the POH say that runups need to be done stationary? No? They would if there is a pressing reason. So, the approved document does not mandate stationary runups. As always, one has to apply good judgment and assess the priorities (such as lookout vs. attention to engine instruments), as long as it aligns with the POH.

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