Many thanks for finding that, @Zorg
UK (with exceptions)
What are the G-reg exceptions?
Even if this is just overflight, it is a useful data point because it could mean that a G-reg homebuilt doesn’t have to do anything to overfly France.
Basing a “foreign-reg” aircraft is bound to be more tricky than overflight, however.
IIRC the UK-exceptions are the factory built orphan aircraft which need permission to enter France. Not sure though.
Peter wrote:
What are the G-reg exceptions?
Hi @Peter,
By that I was referring to the last paragraph in that post, outlining 28-day stay restrictions for permit-to-fly aircraft registered in the UK and Republic of Ireland. Quoted again for convenience:
However, “certain aircraft with permit-to-fly” (not clear whether all permit-to-fly aircraft are meant, or just a subset) that are registered in the UK and Republic of Ireland are limited to 28 consecutive calendar days. Amateur-built airplanes registered in other countries do require a validation of their airworthiness certificate by French authorities.
As mentioned, the way it’s written in French doesn’t make it clear (for me) whether the rule applies to all permit-to-fly aircraft, or just a subset thereof.
The various dates given suggest that the French DGAC has over time come to (probably bilateral) recognition agreements for amateur-built aircraft with the CAAs of individual countries only. I’ll see if I can dig up some of these inter-CAA agreements out of curiosity.
This [ local copy ] popped into my inbox recently… there was some legal change in France in 1998 which made it impossible to get some homebuilts onto the F-reg afterwards, resulting in the 6-month related difficulties. Google translate is not good enough but one chap seems to be saying there is a way, but doesn’t want to describe it openly. I have not dug into this any more but somebody interested can do so if it is relevant.
A number of people on that thread are on EuroGA too
Also it claims some F-reg Lancair 320s have IFR approval, which is really interesting. It shows the reg of one such – F-WOAH.
Peter wrote:
Maybe someone does but I have not heard of it.
…How about that some insurance companies will not issue the insurance, if you write that home base of the aircraft is somewhere else other than the registered country.
As well as UK LAA, on the Swedish EAA you have to write also the home base of the AC and if not in Sweden they may reserve the right not to issue the permit. There are some workarounds which is better not to be discussed on a public forum
The obvious workaround, much discussed here before, is to have someone acting as a mailbox in the country of registration.
The problem is that if there is an accident, the insurer may have a good reason to have a good dig-around. And 5 mins on plane spotter sites will reveal pretty obviously where it spends most of its time.
So I would definitely make a full disclosure to the insurer, regardless of what the State of registration CAA is told.
Peter wrote:
So I would definitely make a full disclosure to the insurer,
What I was trying to say is that the insurer from state A may refuse to issue the insurance, (for different reasons), since the AC it is on state A register and it has home base on state B. Alternately you have to pay a hefty premium. In regard to the workaround this may fall under ownership and percentage much easier than a mail box.
Sure; agreed.
I would not be surprised if some % of aircraft registered in country X and located in country Y are insured in country X with an insurer who would not ordinarily offer coverage for an aircraft permanently based in Y
What do people do when they claim? Well, hmmm, let’s look at some blindingly obvious options
All this and much more has been done before – imaginative insurance claims are the world’s second oldest profession
Boring people (like me) prefer to sleep at night.
Whatever scenario you must provide your pilot logbook and the AC logbook immediately.
Do not forget that that aircraft accidents attract the media.
The situations above were used as a temporary situation until folk fixed the change from one registry to another one.
In regard to the insurers it is strange that on the policy document is written that AC is covered for flying all over Europe exclude Greenland and do not specify, the maximum duration of your AC outside registered country.
I like sleeping well during the nights too