greg_mp wrote:
And turbo of course.
That one could fit?
Man that flying sportscar is the equivalent of any of these threads where in the end the only “real” solution turns out to be the PC-12! For vacational trips for a single person…
The most useful all rounder IMO is the 2CV. There are not many cars that you can take apart, pass through a hole in a wall and rebuild it the other side in less than an hour, (in competition).
That you can put a bail of hay and a sheep in the back and drive it up a steep rough hill over rocks.
I know it will take 3 days to get from one side of France to the other but then being able to rough it is part of the fun.
@Capitaine I know an older man who has two Morris Travelers… one each for he and his wife. Before your mental image is too solid, I’ll also mention that he also has a couple of these having designed them as his first job out of school. I don’t think he recommended that his son (who I know) drive a VW estate or Morris Traveler as a first car.
gallois wrote:
The most useful all rounder IMO is the 2CV.
Correct, and for airplane, you take a 65cv original cub! Note that some might think that 65cv is not a lot of power, think again, the 2CV we have has (well rather had when it left the factory in 1963, because I think some of the horses left or died since) a grand total of … 18cv! And with that you can have lots of fun, just avoid highways, being overtaken by a gigantic lorry with the car bouncing left and right because of the wind turbulence is not great.
Ah wow, even this fictitious discussion takes the course that any best-plane-discussion takes. First, it’s steering directly towards the best-of-the-best, then after some days and the PC12 being the big grey elephant in the room no-one dares to mention, someone says that the best adventures are those where you have insufficient tools to perform impossible tasks. And then it starts right again from something really inappropriate to make it’s way up.
Are we doing a meta-analysis here?
Does anyone do a car with a parachute?
Should be on the MEL. Don’t engage the clutch without it!
Cobalt wrote:
Also, I learned on an automatic, and my father thinks I should be driving for 2-3 years before upgrading to a manual gearbox,
At least in the UK if you learn in an automatic, you are restricted to only driving automatics. You have to take another driving test to get a “manual” rating on your licence. So no one ever learns in an automatic.
Same thing, I believe, if the car has one of those electronic handbrakes. If you pass your test in one, you’re restricted to driving only cars with an electronic handbrake unless you take another test in one without.
So everyone does their test in the least automated most basic car possible so they don’t get a restricted licence. Because everyone learned to drive a manual, why spend the extra on a car with automatic? So automatics are rare here.
alioth wrote:
no one ever learns in an automatic.
You do see the odd driving instructor/school who does automatic teaching as a niche – the car tends to advertise it on the branding and L-plates. They specialise in the ‘zero-aptitude’ learner drivers who are simply never going to master a clutch and gearbox in any sensible amount of time.
The aviation equivalent of tricycle drivers? :)
My 2017 four door car is manual transmission equipped… It may have been the last time I’ll be able to buy one like that in the US. Its an archaic concept, but its one that I like for several reasons including lower cost of repair, as well as being more fun 
That car does have an electric handbrake, an awkward and imprecise thing it shares with the automatic version in which it is used only for parking. Should’ve bought a 2016, because it was yet to be so afflicted.
I don’t think it would occur to anybody here to license manual shift drivers in a special category. Unless you have a special interest in cars its unlikely you’ll ever need to drive one, and if you do have that special interest you’ll teach yourself without issue: I first drove a manual shift car at roughly age 14, off road, and bought a manual shift car at age 15-1/2. Given that I’d been riding manual shift motorcycles for 5 years at that point not a lot of instruction, actually zero, was required.
