Iceland is in Schengen and it has no land internal borders (unless one melt and drain the Atlantic)
Iceland is in EEA (not Customs Union), for flying one still have to land in their “Inter Airports” (not “Landing Strips”) even their AIP talks about using the “Green Channel for nothing to declare”, anyone know if they are like Switzerland and Norway? say allow some long touring from Danemark to gravel strip in Iceland?
Greece, had no internal borders to drop when Schengen comes in and external borders remained the same (POE is mandatory in Greece even intra-Schengen)
Peter wrote:
I just cannot imagine most people having the time to sit in a shed for such a vast number of hours, while having a life.
That pretty much sums up the value and validity of homebuilt aircraft on this board, signed by the one and only admin. I, on the other hand, cannot imagine how people using vast number of hours running internet boards, while having a life.
In Norway we have a saying that “some like flying, some like building”. It’s a caricature, but with lots of truth in it. We have different interests, different meanings of what “life” is, and thank god for that. My plan is to build aircraft, then sell them, once I get my new “shed” up and running. It’s a hobby that pays itself and then some when choosing the right plane, right engine and right avionics. With 600 kg MTOW of ULs, and the skyrocketing prices of new ULs, this has gotten even better (RV-12, Sonex high wing, or one of the Italian bush planes, like the one I already have).
signed by the one and only admin
Personalising a debate is an old cheap tactic, to which you resort regularly.
It shows an inability to debate properly.
What a total load of BS.
On ALL your favourite other sites, the admins post only on strict admin matters and run fake personas for forum participation, so you can’t attack them for doing both. It is absolutely standard. On EuroGA this was never done. More and more it looks like it should have been.
Maybe I should post as Vanessa Cardigan 
Hmmm, that name was already taken by another famous personality. But the concept was great: a woman asking questions gets way more response on a mostly-male forum.
I am not the only admin, BTW.
Oh and BTW you are welcome to pay for another mod/admin. I reckon one can be found for not much more than 20k/year. Last time this came up (by an extremely well known “forum god”) I invited him to do this. For reasons I never understood (he had loads of €€€; now flies a TBM) he declined…
Or you can have advertising, to pay for another mod. Hmmm, let me guess, you will then clear off to some other forum where you can slag off EuroGA for running adverts…
Peter wrote:
Personalising a debate is an old cheap tactic, to which you resort regularly.
It’s nothing personal. The thing is, and it’s a fact, and it happens again and again. I have never seen a single post where you have, shall I say, “embraced” homebuilt aircraft or the homebuilding community. There is always something negative you have to focus on, and you excuse it with some story of a total mothball of a pilot having purchased a used homebuilt aircraft only to discover it is not a certified aircraft, and therefore you feel obliged to “warn others”. It’s getting tiresome.
The thing is. The only reason I’m here at all is it’s the best place to get info about EASA regulations + there are some interesting and knowledgeable persons with interesting things to say (A_A, Silvaire, bosco + several others). For anything regarding homebuilt or non certified at all, this place has nothing to offer. It’s impossible to have discussion about homebuilts on the premises of homebuilt and homebuilt regulations. There is no reason it couldn’t be room for such things as well, except …
Anyway, I have given up (in reality I have given up several years ago, but I guess I have have too little moral fiber to not let myself become irritated from time to time). My participation on this site regarding anything non certified will be strictly on case by case, exclusively technical, and I’l otherwise stick to EASA stuff. In contrast to most others here, I fly and own ULs, homebuilts, and EASA planes. There are other channels for homebuilt and non certified.
I have never seen a single post where you have, shall I say, “embraced” homebuilt aircraft or the homebuilding community
Go to here
and type Evolution, for many counter-examples.
I’ve looked at non-cert many times. Here is another. Another. Another. Another. Another. I am wasting my time teaching you to read.For anything regarding homebuilt or non certified at all, this place has nothing to offer
It was you who demanded this forum section, so we set it up. It has a huge number of posts. It is appreciated by lots of people – even if you don’t like it.
And as I have said multiple times, EuroGA (what you call “this place”) is a donation-funded community (your donations total exactly how much?) which produces its own content. It is not a €300/year online newspaper where you can complain to the chief editor if the content doesn’t meet your requirements. If you want specific content, start a thread yourself! It’s not my job to trawl the internet and post editorials and other boot-licking content (having pre-notified advertisers that now is the time to book an ad because there will be an editorial feature); I am just an unpaid mod/admin who also happens to fly.
There is no reason it couldn’t be room for such things as well, except …
Except that you don’t “get” the above paragraph. If you want specific content, start a thread yourself!
One thing which is perhaps different about EuroGA is that one can be honest. If something is crap, you can say so. If you turn up on one of your type specific forums, and post critical stuff, you will get kicked off. Most of the big US sites, with adverts, are strictly modded, but you don’t see it because with 24/7 mods it happens very fast.
Unfortunately not everyone likes honesty. If you turn up on some homebuilt forum and say that they need permits to fly to Spain, a lot of people there will get really p1ssed off, partly because they didn’t know their latest 100k shiny plane cannot “just fly anywhere” (as the salesman said) and partly because they do it illegally and now more people will find out. Of course it is just fine for the community to see people spend 100k and find out afterwards! A friend of mine did spend ~100k and found out only when I told him.
I also suggest more consistency, too 
This is practically the only forum I visit. This has been the case for some time now.
So, can we look forward to see more threads from LeSving?
eurogaguest1980 wrote:
This is so accurate. While in my younger days I tried to avoid any kind of politics, I have come to learn, sadly about 40 years too late, that politics is the most effective way to affect change.
Indeed. Sometimes people say that they are “apolitical”. That really means that they are supporting the political status quo, willingly or not.
Airborne_Again wrote:
Indeed. Sometimes people say that they are “apolitical”. That really means that they are supporting the political status quo, willingly or not.
We are seeing this very much in our country, which has regular polls. There is an increasing number of people who are too “busy” to vote, even though they can do it from home and dead easily. Consequently, they willingly submit to whatever those who vote decide and not few of them then start bitching after the vote. Well. lessons in democracy.
You may recall the attempt by the Swiss government to introduce a luxury tax against airplanes, which, together with the rest of that climate law, was voted “no” 2 years ago. Well, yesterday, we had to vote again and guess what: a much reduced package has now been approved, which still will mean quite drastic measures for loads of home and car owners (even if aviation itself is not targeted at this stage) up to the point where people who can’t pay for a heat pump within the next years will loose their homes. Only about half of the population voted…. many will now find out the hard way what it means to be apolitical.
(and guess what: It did not take one hour after the result was known when the head of the socialist party uttered his clear intent to ban “private jets” as a consequence of the vote. It seems really woke at the moment to shout against those evil business jets…. in the weeks up to the vote they kept assuring that “no bans of anyting” were planned. And now, emboldened, it’s already talk of heatings, cars and so on which will be not banned, but priced out. Hear hear, don’t we know this kind of tactics from someplace? )
Peter wrote:
I also suggest more consistency, too
Indeed.
Personal attack:
I cannot imagine how people using vast number of hours running internet boards, while having a life.
Not a personal attack:
I just cannot imagine most people having the time to sit in a shed for such a vast number of hours, while having a life.
Peter wrote:
This is practically the only forum I visit. This has been the case for some time now.
Well, I’m really not that much of a forum person, I don’t know many forums at all. I said there are other channels, and the one I use the most is e-mailing to other builders. Most have builder’s logs and similar, or are otherwise easy to get in contact with. The kit manufacturers themselves have very good tech support also. And there’s the EAA. And there are magazines (EAA and Kitplanes), and youtube channels. The EAA also has a forum, but I have never been there as far as I can remember.
Van’s Air Force is a good forum in essence, but it’s annoying due to the owner’s “political” views. It leaves a bad taste, and there is really only so much you can stand. It has no affiliation with Van’s themselves however, and in 99% of cases as a builder you are better off contacting the factory directly (or other builders). It is a good place to get in contact with other people though. Lots of non builders there, people who have bought an RV and wondering what exactly they have bought. I haven’t been there in many years, other than accidentally through google search.
SonexBuilders is another very odd place (no affiliation with Sonex, but populated by builders/owners and whatnot else). A few remarkably skilled and knowledgeable persons there (at least used to be), but it has been largely destroyed by fighting between “loyal fanboys” and “bad mouthers angry with Sonex” (in lack of better descriptions). Thus, the value for people seeking honest advice is as good as nil. The place is void of honesty. Again, the factory and other builders is a much better source of information. Haven’t been there for years either.
Then there is the more general HomebuiltAirplanes. That forum defies description. Perhaps only 1-2% of the people there are actual builders, the rest are, well I don’t know what, dreamers? I have never been active there, a couple of dozens of posts perhaps, many years ago, until the reality of the forum seeped in.
As for more general GA, I really don’t know of any other forums than EuroGA. Some have popped up in google searches, I’m sure, but cannot remember any names or anything. I tend to rather stay in (physical) touch with the larger local community where I live. That, and stuff is spread fast by facebook groups mostly, even if 90% is pictures from people flying, or general announcements of forthcoming activities Oh yes, I am an admin actually in one of those groups, but I have no clue what I’m supposed to do as an admin I just post pictures and info every now and then.
My experience with forums is not large, but it is (surprisingly?) negative all things considered. EuroGA is for most parts a positive experience, an exception. But having said that, my experience with homebuilding/experimental (most things not certified in fact) is equally negative as the other forums, and negative in a nonsensical way. Perhaps homebuilding just doesn’t work all that well in a forum setting? and for the most nonsensical reasons? I have an idea why though.
Peter wrote:
Of course it is just fine for the community to see people spend 100k and find out afterwards! A friend of mine did spend ~100k and found out only when I told him.
This has exactly zero to do with homebuilding. It has exactly zero to do with non certified. It is 100% stupidity and ignorance by that friend of yours. It’s as stupid as a person buying a Ferrary, only to be angry that it is a terrible off-road vehicle. For this to happen you need (even though I don’t know exactly what actually happened, but I have a clue I think I do in rough terms):
With that combination of persons, you can replace the item changing hands with literally anything possible, and the result will be bad, unless lucky of course. The main point though, is: It is completely uninteresting, and void of information for anyone, other than it’s stupid to be stupid, which is as self evident today as it always has been.
Van’s Air Force: moderation is done on the basis of “US patriotism” (this site actually do work as intended, but…)
SonexBuilders: moderation is based on “never say, ask or mention anything that can, even remotely, be interpreted as criticism of Sonex”
HomebuiltAirplanes: moderation is based on? I really have no clue at all, clicks?
EuroGA: moderation (of everything non certified) is based on irrelevant tales of stupidity/ignorance regarding selling and buying.
I’m sorry, but I’m (way) too old to fight battles I cannot win, or try to change hard headed people’s opinions. I’ll stick with what works, what works for me and most others and that is:
For general certified GA, EuroGA is a good place.
I cannot imagine how people using vast number of hours running internet boards, while having a life.
I just cannot imagine most people having the time to sit in a shed for such a vast number of hours, while having a life.
The latter is relatively well documented, the former is pure speculation.
LeSving wrote:
For general certified GA, EuroGA is a good place.
For all European GA, EuroGA is a good place. A very large proportion, certainly the majority, is about things that affects all European GA whether it be microlights or bizjets: access to airports, airspace issues, maintenance issues (not just “maintenance legalities” but actual engineering stuff), trips, etc.
