I don’t understand.
If you arrive “nothing to declare” there must be a customs presence (possibly implemented as a “flying squad”) to do spot checks – same as at big airports where they look at you when you walk past them through the green channel.
Class E is OCAS for VFR.
Peter wrote:
Class E is OCAS for VFR.
That depends on what definition of CAS you use — the official one (e.g. in SERA) or one you devise yourself. Formally, CAS is airspace where air traffic control service is provided according to the airspace classification – which is the case for class E. That VFR doesn’t require a clearance in class E is true but a different thing. Also, the same VMC minima apply to VFR in class E at it does in all controlled airspace – which are different from classes F and G.
Changing the meaning of well-defined terms does nothing to help understanding,.
From here
This is yet another “dynamite thread” – here is the other one. Can we have clear references please
France used to allow flight to/from Croatia or Ireland (EU but not Schengen) without using an immigration point of entry if the flight has no passengers, do other EU countries have similar setups?
I have not tried though, too far away to make it in one go 
The new EU regulation doesn’t mean that all EU airports have customs
Indeed, EU 2020/877 regulations does not mean that all EU airports are “customs designated airports”, to give an analogy: UK CEMA 1979 regulations (HMRC & UKBF GAR form) does not mean all UK airports are “customs designated airports”
What EU 2020/877 say is that you won’t be liable for taxes (duty + tva) on private mean of transport and goods that are “nothing to declare” by the simple act of flying over the border:
This does not require explicit customs declaration and it’s done by simple act of crossing the border, previously, the laws were very vague: you land and wait forever…
EU2020/877 does not say much about airport customs certificates? requirement to land in “customs designated airport” ? checks for illegal activities? it only deals with taxation of goods and means of transport
At the end of the day, it’s all that matters? you are not paying a penny in taxes on your flight, customs are free to check you as they wish in designated airports or at your hotel…
Snoopy wrote:
Their problem, not yours.
Not quite that easy. They have the power of grounding you until they figure it out or until you find a lawyer to help you sort them out. And they have a hostage, your airplane and your belongings.
Customs are one agency one better not fool around with, because they win 99% of the time, even if fines or other stuff imposed won’t hold in court, but the fact alone that you spend several hours under semi-arrest or in very unpleasant circumstances while they pick your luggage apart warrants caution with those guys.
Their main weapon is: They have an abundance of time which you don’t. And they will always find a way to justify their actions as they have nothing to prove. They can investigate without any reason whatsoever.
Mooney_Driver wrote:
Not quite that easy.
Maybe in Switzerland… in Austria it is, pull up EU 2020/877 on your phone, click the german language edition, show them and ask if you can go for a coffee while they figure it out. Or print it out and hand it over, the government loves hardcopy paper.
Additionally, the chance of someone from customs (actually customs!) to show up at some grass field around here is smaller than winning the lottery. The customs stuff is usually handled by local police anyway at those fields that offer customs O/R…
The joys of living in a constitutional state.
Nevertheless, I’ll call customs and find out if they know about 2020/877 ;)
France used to allow flight to/from Croatia or Ireland (EU but not Schengen) without using an immigration point of entry if the flight has no passengers
Do you have a reference?
Never heard of such a thing.
What about countries where you are required to wait for ever for the police e.g. Germany?
Getting back to basics, this reg does mean that one could fly to any EU airport which does not have Customs (but Immigration is complied with) from anywhere outside the EU. It thus cannot be implemented without setting up a “flying squad”.
If the above para is not correct then we are going around in circles.
See here, 24h PN is mandatory though
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/loda/article_lc/LEGIARTI000035872385/2021-06-09
“When an aircraft carrying goods within the meaning of this Order, coming from or bound for a country belonging to the European Union or a territory belonging to the customs territory of the Union or to the special tax territory, but not belonging to the Schengen area, takes off from or lands at an international airport in the Union that is not a border crossing point, the pilot and crew members may benefit from the derogations from external border controls, pursuant to Annex VII, paragraph 2 of the Schengen Borders Code.
The arrival and departure of the flight must be notified in accordance with the conditions laid down in Article 5 of this Order.”
See here for “EU flights outside Schengen”, 24h PN is mandatory though
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/loda/article_lc/LEGIARTI000035872385/2021-06-09
Does Germany or Italy have similar texts in national laws?
“When an aircraft carrying goods within the meaning of this Order, coming from or bound for a country belonging to the European Union or a territory belonging to the customs territory of the Union or to the special tax territory, but not belonging to the Schengen area, takes off from or lands at an international airport in the Union that is not a border crossing point, the pilot and crew members may benefit from the derogations from external border controls, pursuant to Annex VII, paragraph 2 of the Schengen Borders Code.
The arrival and departure of the flight must be notified in accordance with the conditions laid down in Article 5 of this Order.”
