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Maoraigh
EGPE, United Kingdom

Peter wrote:

Yes, but what that doesn’t say is that you can file flight plans airborne, done implicitly by being in radio contact with ATC.

The following paragraph in SERA says that:

A flight plan shall be submitted, before departure, to an air traffic services reporting office or, during flight, transmitted to the appropriate air traffic services unit or air -ground control radio station, unless arrangements have been made for submission of repetitive flight plans.

For example nobody files a FP for (1) above, or indeed most of the other reasons.

Really? So why do you think you file a flight plan for what you call a “Eurocontrol” IFR flight?

ESKC (Uppsala/Sundbro), Sweden

There are countries where every flight, even in the local circuit, requires a flight plan. I believe Greece and Croatia are two of these. So the rules vary nationally, but the EASA (SERA) requirements do not dictate that.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

If you note in 1 a flight plan should be provided not filed or deposed.
6 should normally be filed or deposed in France.

France

Yes, but what that doesn’t say is that you can file flight plans airborne, done implicitly by being in radio contact with ATC.

For example nobody files a FP for (1) above, or indeed most of the other reasons.

Item (6) is interesting but dubious. Definitely not required in the UK.

Only (5) is a real legal requirement, and it has some exemptions in central-ish Europe, though if you read it carefully those exemptions may not be usable a lot of the time.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Here is a thread on when flight plans are not required in Europe.

Thanks, I found a reference to SERA.4001 in that thread which helped to clarify the situation.

A flight plan shall be submitted prior to operating:
(1) any flight or portion thereof to be provided with air traffic control service;
(2) any IFR flight within advisory airspace;
(3) any flight within or into areas, or along routes designated by the competent authority, to facilitate the provision of flight information, alerting and search and rescue services;
(4) any flight within or into areas or along routes designated by the competent authority, to facilitate coordination with appropriate military units or with air traffic services units in adjacent States in order to avoid the possible need for interception for the purpose of identification;
(5) any flight across international borders, unless otherwise prescribed by the States concerned;
(6) any flight planned to operate at night, if leaving the vicinity of an aerodrome.

Catania, Italy

@Zsoszu
I’m curious: What would the OP need timebuilding for?

always learning
LO__, Austria

Here is a thread on when flight plans are not required in Europe. They are otherwise mandatory for border crossing. They are never mandatory for water or mountains, although arguably desirable.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Ciao,

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Zsolt

Zsolt Szüle
LHTL, Hungary

The flight plan rules are more complicated but I have just a phone.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom
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