See, nothing, I repeat, nothing can happen. Really.
Until it happens like this one
HBadger wrote:
Speaking of high speeds and military: here in Switzerland it is quite common to see military PC21 2 ship formations flying low level in airspace Golf and E, at around 300kts. I always wondered if this is just tolerated or if it is actually perfectly legal for the military to do this stuff. Feels scary when you are a lowly PPL student sharing the exact same airspace.
The military play according to they own rules. (And they do so legally.)
Dan wrote:
Don’t worry, nothing can happen, period.
… See, nothing, I repeat, nothing can happen. Really.
The sarcasm is strong with this one.
How long until socialist legislation under the pretense of “climate protection” kills off GA in Europe?
noplanB wrote:
How long until socialist legislation under the pretense of “climate protection” kills off GA in Europe?
That’s probably a question for the Off-Topic / Politics thread…
We have the climate change thread.
HBadger wrote:
: here in Switzerland it is quite common to see military PC21 2 ship formations flying low level in airspace Golf and E, at around 300kts.
In my first days of aviation, I was bumbling along peacefully around the Saentis mountain one sunny day when from the East some specs appeared. A few seconds later, a 5 ship Hunter formation passed my position with about 200 ft vertical distance. Probably at 400 kts or so. Doubt they ever saw me. It looked cool but I came short of having to clean the seat afterwards.
Fairly sure it was the Patrouille Suisse on return from Austria or Germany.
noplanB wrote:
How long until socialist legislation under the pretense of “climate protection” kills off GA in Europe?
I somehow doubt it will require climate protection for that. Airport outpricers and PPR gurus are doing a fine job without them.
Mooney_Driver wrote:
I somehow doubt it will require climate protection for that. Airport outpricers and PPR gurus are doing a fine job without them.
Indeed. Good old capitalist greed will kill GA before the champagne socialists get a chance to.
I would say “stupidity” because if you were running an airport to make the most money, you would accept all traffic that will fit, so long as you are below capacity.
I think Adam Smith knew that… and he was Scottish so he was as tight as they come 
The real problem is that most airports in Europe are not run to support aviation. They are primarily places of employment and, for customs/immigration/security, places for police employment.
I’d say that the " Stupid Question That I’ve Always Wondered About" is how can this situation persist for so long? We know it can persist for ever in countries which are basically dysfunctional (2 airline flights per week, 50 employees, €10M/year fixed costs, a “very friendly” local mayor) but in much of N Europe it is hard to understand.
