We have had a nice trip to Kilkenny. Immigration at LFRQ in and out was easy going. I wrote the email with all data and it was confirmed within minutes. Nobody was on the field when we went off and when we came back. Same wit the GAR for Ireland and the arrival at Kilkenny. Also there we met many friendly people. The field is normally used only for the skydivers and the reason behind is understandable, because they are up in the air all the time. But we where welcome and spend a lovely time there at the arts festival.
Okay, everything is sorted out. We will go to Kilkenny next week if the weather finally permits. Thank‘s for your help guys.
mentioned Duxford and Lee-on-Solent, but I’m pretty sure they do require PPR.
What I meant is you can land without ome if you simply leave a voice mail or email and they did not answer, you will not get crucified on radio for “lack of PPR” or “strict PPR”
There are some UK airfields that don’t require PPR. Sandown, Popham and Fenland are three that I’m aware of
I did not know about Popham, learning something new everyday 
+ Sherburn, Pitsford to that list and that’s all in the whole country, of course, there are those who simply accept “serious FPL” like Biggin or accomodate RT call like North Weald
boscomantico wrote:
Exactly what I said. And same applies to the UK.
PPR is not a legal / regulatory requirement in the UK.
Many/most UK airfields impose it because they think it is a requirement, or they think it’s a good idea, or both. The issue arises from the wording in an ordinary aerodrome licence about licensing for use by the operator and people who have the permission of the operator. Those who like to interpret things in the most restrictive way possible (most people in aviation) take this to mean that each and every use must be approved in advance by a phone call, email or suchlike. Those with a bit more grey matter recognise that the requirement can also be met by simply declaring “all welcome”.
There are some UK airfields that don’t require PPR. Sandown, Popham and Fenland are three that I’m aware of, with the latter being licensed. Until not that long ago Gloucester (which is a proper airport with a long runway, ATC and an ILS) didn’t require PPR – it came in with a change of management. @Ibra mentioned Duxford and Lee-on-Solent, but I’m pretty sure they do require PPR.
If you could operate in 450m there is a strip over the boundary from Kilkenny. If you need longer I would go to Waterford or Kilrush and hire a car. I have corporate rates with Enterprise and can help with that if you want.
Pm if you wish to chat, I have more that I could say off air.
It’s assumed you can’t use it, unless you get permission
That is also interesting concept when planning in UK, especially when looking to visit small places
A bit off topic, you call airfield say on Thursday to ask for PPR no one answers, you call on Friday they say call on Saturday, on Saturday, they say something like no one will be around today and you better come Sunday
You end up flying to Sandown, Duxford or LeTouquet, LeeOnSolent or two airfields where you have “carte blanche” to turn up unanounced by the owners…well you already fuelled for trip, pulled aircraft out of hangar and your wife had her lunch at least with “open unless stated otherwise by NOTAMS”, you can plan one day before hand…it gets interesting when you have sent PN, GAR & FPL and still no one has answer that PPR by email yet
EddsPeter has until next week, so plenty of time !
Exactly what I said. And same applies to the UK.
The NOTAMS is a bit of a misnomer. To visit any airfield in Ireland, requires PPR. So no need to issue a NOTAM to deny someone permission to use the field. It’s assumed you can’t use it, unless you get permission.
A NOTAM might be helpful, but not necessary.
Lionel,
Very interesting. Presumably then the reason that Irish Customs thought that they couldn’t continue with the system that they had previously, was that they couldn’t force traffic though specific points and without that, they’d need to require notice periods.
From your explanation, they could have set up a permanent customs post at each and every little farmers strip and check good as they come and go, but they couldn’t say “You have to give us 24 hours notice to give us time to get there.” That would create a customs delay and a barrier to free movement of goods by making it more cumbersome.
Obviously a permanently maned customs station at every farmers strip would be impracticable given that most could go months or years without an international flight.
The immigration angle is more difficult for them because of the common travel area. (Though it only applies to Irish and British citizens. It doesn’t apply to other citizens traveling between the two countries).
For digging there is this, it mentions 3 airports (Cork, Dublin and Shanon) as being the ones with permanent customs while the rest is covered by some blanket approval although subject to PPR/GAR
Customs can (as in “is allowed to”) definitely check each and every exit/entry into the country
Well they do, even in Ireland intra-EU but only for non-EU goods 
as far as law is concerned, seems the default PN is 24h and all airports are ok to fly to,
https://www.revenue.ie/en/tax-professionals/legislation/statutory-instruments/2016/si-613-16.pdf
Those AIP entries I quoted before are c****p, not surprising, all ROI airports are ok to land on, subject to PN/PPR for immigration, if POB are CTA/EU citizens then no one should really cares (I would double check otherwise or let that dog sleeps)
