Flying an Aircraft on an AOC

Iptamenos wrote:

If so,which I suspect it is so,what are the restrictions/obligations associated with this set up.

Nothing as long as you pay taxes on your Avgas and taxes a fair rental price (tax authorities will let you go away without paying taxes on fixed costs like maintenance and hangar…you are basically renting to yourself when doing personal private flying)

can the owner then,who is not CP licensed fly the aircraft for non revenue/commercial flights for personal use?

My information, from years ago when having an AOC enabled getting tax / duty free avgas in a lot of “southern” countries is that it is not a requirement to operate the AOC on every flight.

Rather, the AOC operator owns the AOC and it is his decision whether the specific flight is under the AOC or not.

So e.g. a school which holds an AOC for charter for a Seneca, could use the Seneca for IR training (non AOC) or for taking six large Brits and 10 litres of fuel in the tanks to play golf (an AOC flight).

The above is UK specific. Your country’s CAA may have different rules.

Nothing as long as you pay taxes on your Avgas and taxes a fair rental price

That is perhaps related to avoiding the UK Benefit in Kind attack; a different question.

Iptamenos wrote:

If you own an aircraft,which is registered in an AOC which is flown by CPilots for revenue thru the AOC,can the owner then,who is not CP licensed fly the aircraft for non revenue/commercial flights for personal use?

If so,which I suspect it is so,what are the restrictions/obligations associated with this set up.

Yes, you can, as long as the aircraft is not complex (in the EASA sense – no jet engines, not more than one turboprop engine, single pilot, MTOM not greater than 5700 kg, certified with at most 19 passenger seats).

You can find the rules in NCO.GEN.104. Be sure to also check the AMC/GM. The rules mainly concern the handover of the aircraft between the commercial and the non-commercial operators.

It seems to be allowed for complex aircraft, too. Obviously the non-commercial operator is then subject to Part-NCC, not Part-NCO. ORO.GEN.310 clearly envisions this:

(a) Aircraft listed on an operator’s AOC may remain on the AOC if it is operated in any of the
following situations:
(2) by other operators, for non-commercial operations with motor-powered aircraft or for
specialised operations performed in accordance with Annex VI (Part-NCC), Annex VII
(Part-NCO) or Annex VIII (Part-SPO), provided that the aircraft is used for a continuous
period not exceeding 30 days

IIptamenos wrote:

If you own an aircraft,which is registered in an AOC which is flown by CPilots for revenue thru the AOC,can the owner then,who is not CP licensed fly the aircraft for non revenue/commercial flights for personal use?

Yes you can. I do both AOC and NCC flights with the Learjet. When doing an NCC flight, I need to pay excise tax and VAT on the fuel, so I tend to fly AOC unless
- there’s a performance requirement at the airfield forcing NCC. It’s 1.67x landing distance under AOC.
- I’m not ATPL and want to be in command. Not the case for me anymore but could be for you.

Note that even when flying non commercial, the plane is managed by the management company responsible for AOC. So they will file flight plan, plan fuel, performance and do the finances. I see that as an extra layer of safety. One can’t just get in and go.

lionel wrote:

It seems to be allowed for complex aircraft, too. Obviously the non-commercial operator is then subject to Part-NCC, not Part-NCO.

I did a quick scan of part-NCC and could not see anything corresponding to NCO.GEN.104 – but then I’m really not familiar with part-NCC.

Iptamenos wrote:

I am intending to hopefully do this with a king air 90 now that I have the type rating.

Then the rules are a bit tricky to interpret. A King Air is EASA complex, however by a derogation (article 6, para. 8 of the Air Ops cover regulation) twin turboprops with a MTOM of at most 5700 kg shall be operated noncommercially according to part-NCO. However NCO.GEN.140 does not apply to complex aircraft! You may want to ask EASA how the rules should be understood in that case.

(Some King Airs do have a MTOM above 5700 kg so they shall be operated noncommercially according to part-NCC.)

@airborne_again NCO.GEN.104 → Transport of dangerous goods?

I’d guess a <5700kg twin turbine will be operated NCO for owner flown ops and AOC for commercial flights?

Airworthiness remains Part M.

Would be interesting to put a MEP on an AOC. NCO vs AOC for ops as well as for airworthiness, however AOC requires Part M which will be required continuously and thus override any excursions to ML :).