I can see that in places where you have “3rd World ATC” with ELP of minus 5, with people navigating with a motorway atlas because the said country doesn’t publish usable VFR charts, a VFR route which keeps everybody at 1000ft AGL while running underneath some Class D tower zones, is a good idea.
Martin wrote: According to FCL.055, you don’t need French to fly (exercise privileges of your licence) in case you have ELP. It says nothing about what you can or cannot say on a radio. That would be a telecom matter anyway. Isn’t that what I wrote?
I am not making any claims for myself but there is a fair bit of really dodgy ATC ELP in that video. Especially the bit about descending to the safety altitude (a French pilot has listened to it). I find it hard to believe that is correct terminology.
Am I wrong wrong that the “level” essentially means: <4 you can’t claim ELP 4-5 you can claim but need to renew 6 you can claim for life If that is correct, then FAA should give you automatically 6 – but I guess you might have claimed 4 as tongue in cheek
Well… it would’ve been correct if I had written like this: And I ask myself: “Why can’t I get level 6 in ELP?” Direct and indirect speech – I remember that lesson
That last one is unbelievable I can see the Greek CAA registering stuff like SX-ROD or SX-BUM (due to lack of staff ELP) but surely, in Berlusconi-land…?
You would still need ELP on your licence, somewhere. Unless you go to Jim Bordeaux for that, in France you will be tested by a French examiner from the DGAC and they might have trouble with the Essex accent so you might just get a level 4.:)
loco wrote: Things become easier as one progresses in flying. ATC too. Do you need RT licence, ELP and “Hertz annual fee” to operate a CPDLC? (I will get my coat )
Don’t get confused between an RT exam and a language proficiency. They are different. My ELP was through Malta although taken in France, and very efficient it was too. No problem at all getting the DGAC to add it to my French /EASA licence.
so I would expect more of them to be FR & EN soon What does that mean? FR-only and EN-only ??? The UK dropped the PPL requirement from ATC decades ago. Not sure it made any difference. Also a PPL requirement is worth nothing (for ATC ELP) if you only ever fly locally.
Peter wrote: nd the FAA reissued the green plastic cards automatically, maybe 10 years ago, specificially to include the ELP phrase. Although I think you had to fill in an (online) form for it to happen – at least, that’s my recollection.
I can understand him perfectly too; my comment about him not ever needing an ELP cert still applies… A lot of non-English people here would get Level 6 immediately. I’ve met so many on our fly-ins…
I have been told that some (french) people get their ELP6 but not from Orly’s office of DGAC recently. May be you can contact James Emery (Lingaero), he flies all around France for ELP tests and lessons, he may give you some more clue about the possibility to get ELP6.
I have an ELP6 and do not hold IR privileges. If (when ) I get an IR, do I need to redo the ELP? No, and in any case the UK CAA IR examiner can sign off ELP6 there and then – he did mine (2011).
chflyer wrote: when obtaining an EASA licence conversion from an FAA certificate, only ELP 4 is granted Correct. You automatically get a level 4 (so valid for 4 years) BUT backdated to the date of your last BFR.
After much time I found the post. It is on FB, posted with global access. Nobody will attack that chap because he is a French pilot, he lives there, and does ELP examinations for a living, so he is better informed than anybody.