cpt_om_sky wrote:
that many people would vaccinate very soon
because “enforcement would come anyway”
And for precisely that reason the whole plan should be vetoed. When we run our society on the basis that something will be done to us, through eventual enforcement by elected/unelected public servants, we are finished….
cpt_om_sky wrote:
another reason i think is that the gov calculates with a strong motivation,
that many people would vaccinate very soon
because “enforcement would come anyway”
could be. A similar bluff worked in France to an extent.
I think however that social pressure on non-vaccinated people will now mount considerably as most vaccinated folks are hopping furious with them.
i do not think it is a bluff.
tensions in austria between the factions are already running high
positions hardened.
first cases of triage have been reported at austrian icus.
i am really and basically a very convinced guy when it comes to reasonable debates
and discourses in democracies. and the opposite if it comes to punishments.
but the situation is very diificult in austria at the moment.
cpt_om_sky wrote:
am really basically a convinced guy when i comes to reasonable debates
and discourses in democracies. and the opposite if it comes to punishments.
DITTO
cpt_om_sky wrote:
but the situation is very diificult in austria at the moment.
It is what they want….societal division
cpt_om_sky wrote:
politicians who did simply nothing to motivate (or force ?) people to do it.
Democracy means it is the people who “motivate (or force ?)” politicians to do what they want.
The opposite is despotism.
“A people which requests security from its governants is a slave to himself, a slave to its own well-being” Alexis de Tocqueville
this seems to me a little bit too simplifying.
and….my wording was too simple also.
is not the whole system of modern democracies
also a system to protect minorities against majorities and vice versa?!
therefore we have the three branches,
a constitution, laws etc. and the public discourses as very principles.
or would you say that we have to reintroduce death penalty and torture if by some chance a majorty of the people vote for it?!
think of germany in 1938.
cpt_om_sky wrote:
think of germany in 1938.
cpt_om_sky wrote:
therefore we have the three branches,
a constitution, laws etc. and the public discourses as very principles.
Our society is based on the premise of law. At least in the West. Without it we are no better than the tinpot dictatorships of…..you choose. Our elected politicians serve the people and follow the laws of the land. When the politicians step up to change those laws they must be accountable to the total electorate, otherwise anarchy follows. Mandatory vaccine for example is a very treacherous road to follow, particularly in a country which is seeing a large rise in far right following.
However, remember this also.
Otherwise you have anarchy because “the few” control the agenda. We have this today here, in the “sex conversion department” 
where roughly 0.01% to 0.1% are extremists who are controlling national debate to an incredible degree, and doing so very cleverly, and concurrently with extreme aggression. The other 99.9%+ are cringeing but are powerless.
Very sad to see to see this after 30 years of relative freedom in Europe. I doubt it will return any time soon.
