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Flight in turbulence

Peter wrote:

The Q I have is whether flying above the mountain ridge would have put us in smoother airflow.

Hard to tell, I’d say probably but not necessarily. What would have put you into smoother air would have been to either:
- climb
- fly further out over the sea (5-10 miles or so)

From what I can tell from your video and pics you were in the worst zone for turbulence.

It’s actually quite easy to visualize how turbulence over a mountain range behaves. Just go to your nearest little stream and watch water flowing over rocks. You will see that the most turbulent flow is shortly after it crosses whatever barrier (rocks) there is. If you want to see this even better, then pour some food colorant (harmless, water-soluble stuff) into it a little bit upstream. Makes for a great little lesson in fluid dynamics!

It’s probably worth people (re)acquainting themselves with Turbulence Reporting Criteria as stated in the AIM (and no doubt other places):

YPJT, United Arab Emirates

Bonjour,
all i can see on the video is maximum moderate turbulence. But I know it can be a scary experience, and pilots with little hard IMC experience can easily be scared, especially in very light planes. Severe turbulence looks very different though.

Canad_Air!

Yes; I guess it was “moderate to severe”.

The most interesting thing for me is that flying above that mountain to our left would have been smoother. Or maybe even slightly to the other side of it, where there would be an upgraught.

Where we were flying, there was a strong upgraught much of the time, which is the opposite of what I would expect.

Looking at the GFS forecast again for the time, the wind across the mountain might have been 70kt.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

This picture was taken at ENOP one day. The wind and turbulence looked about the same as in this thread, and it shows what it’s like on the ground

The elephant is the circulation
ENVA ENOP ENMO, Norway

Peter wrote:

Yes; I guess it was “moderate to severe”.

Peter while I am sure it felt uncomfortable. It looks like light to occasional moderate.

EGTK Oxford

My personal definition of severe turbulence is anything exceeding +-1G acceleration, easily measured by observing objects floating through the cabin before slamming to the floor a couple of seconds later. This is memorable enough – I still remember all three incidents (1×TCU, 2x just a very windy day).

Biggin Hill

As AnthonyQ has posted above there are definitions for turbulence. In my personal experience I had ‘extreme’ (i.e. uncontrollable airplane) twice, ‘severe’ several times and ‘moderate’ quite often. All of them to do with mountain ranges and/or thermals across deserts (that mix is actually the worst). None a pleasant experience, though….

Cobalt wrote:

My personal definition of severe turbulence is anything exceeding +-1G acceleration, easily measured by observing objects floating through the cabin before slamming to the floor a couple of seconds later. This is memorable enough – I still remember all three incidents (1×TCU, 2x just a very windy day).

I think of it as headsets flying off, heads hitting the top of the cabin, stuff flying around and genuinely struggling to get the plane under control.

Last Edited by JasonC at 16 Sep 17:31
EGTK Oxford
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