mogas and avgas are two different concepts, rather than different products
Really?
LeSving wrote:
When was the last time car gas station made money selling fuel? 30-40 years ago maybe. They make money selling burgers and chips, coffee and pastry, otherwise they are purely an end distributing point for the refineries.
There must be some money to made. What else would explain so many self-serve outlets without any personnel presence or store selling “burgers, chips, ….”? A bit off-topic though.
chflyer wrote:
There must be some money to made. What else would explain so many self-serve outlets without any personnel presence or store selling “burgers, chips, ….”? A bit off-topic though.
They are still only an outlet for the refinery. No one else is making money there (from selling fuel).
Lots of money made in fuel retailing. A friend of mine runs a very busy petrol station. The margin is only of the order of €0.05 a litre but they sell a hell of a lot of litres. The sales are accordingly about 10x bigger than a manufacturing business employing a similar number of people.
Airports, btw, make about €0.30 a litre, sometimes a lot more.
Obviously whether a given business makes a NET (taxable) profit is a completely different argument 
No way avgas 100LL and “car petrol” (as “mogas” is often called) are the same product, in the present era.
There is a rumour going around some UK social media that the REACH regulation is going to result in a ban on 100LL in 2021.
Has anyone heard anything about this? REACH has been around for many years, banning the sale of a vast number of substances including lead. Of course there are exemptions, with car batteries being the most obvious one. This is nothing new. Would Brussels really ground a good % of piston GA – basically anything turbocharged and anything with a compression ratio above about 8.5:1?
Of course there are exemptions, with car batteries being the most obvious one. This is nothing new
Indeed. In the US we had a similarly bizarre situation in 2009 when CPSC acted to more completely ban lead from children’s toys. The unintended consequence was to ban motorcycles sold to people under the age of 18! When activist government became aware of this entirely unintended effect, they realized they had a law that might eliminate the future of motorcycling and did as little as they could, for as long as they could.
There is no limit to the ‘ambition’ of these people, and looking at Europe right now I can see they will not let the current health crisis go to waste in any direction in which they can advance their agenda to control human movement and behavior for ‘the greater good’
Peter wrote:
Would Brussels really ground a good % of piston GA – basically anything turbocharged and anything with a compression ratio above about 8.5:1?
I think the question is whether they could get away with it, not whether they would if they could.
Apparently the EU is going to prohibit TEL in 2024 so UL91 will become de facto for AvGas?
RobertL18C wrote:
Apparently the EU is going to prohibit TEL in 2024 so UL91 will become de facto for AvGas?
Any sources? I’ve tried googling without success.
Hi @Airborne_Again came up via the European Bonanza group
The 470-K Debbie being born UL91 ready is exempt
According to this:
Headline to restricted access article
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there is a discussion started in the European Commission about whether to restrict import of TEL. But as TEL is already a REACH chemical (Registration, Evaluation, Authorisation and Restriction of Chemicals) it’s access to the European Market is already restricted.
