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Where does it specify x hours at an approved school?

For the IR, and the CPL, EASA specifies x hours in your bum (personal attendance in a classroom). Then various ground school outfits got various “equivalence” concessions for home study, and obviously the idea was to maximise this portion, but you still had to physically travel to say CATS and sit there for x hours.

For the PPL, you should not have to sit anywhere for x hours, although Brussels could never actually stop a given country from operating that internally; it is below the radar.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Peter wrote:

Where does it specify x hours at an approved school?

I have not said anything at all about x. I have just said that the course has to be done at an approved school (which should be clear from my quote of FCL.210 above) and that the competent authority must approve of the course plan – which would includes some value of your x. A school can have a distance course where most of the hours can be done at home. Interestingly, at an ATO at least 10% of the hours must be “in your bum” (ref. ORA.ATO.605) but there does not seem to be a corresponding requirement for DTOs.

ESKC (Uppsala/Sundbro), Sweden

A school can have a distance course where most of the hours can be done at home

That, of course, can mean absolutely anything, including no defined ground school tuition at all – because you have no idea what someone does at home.

Is there any benefit for a school which does only he PPL, to be an ATO, over a DTO?

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Peter wrote:

Is there any benefit for a school which does only he PPL, to be an ATO, over a DTO?

Not sure of any – I think that officially ATO/DTO difference is that ATO can also do CPL/ATPL/IR/TR.

EGTR

Peter wrote:

Is there any benefit for a school which does only he PPL, to be an ATO, over a DTO?

For “ordinary” PPL/LAPL training only, none as far as I know. The only drawback is that a DTO can only train for a few ratings. For powered airplanes they are night, aerobatics, mountain, glider towing, banner towing, SEP (land and sea) and TMG.

ESKC (Uppsala/Sundbro), Sweden

EASA DTO can also train for IMCR/IRR as well, altough it’s only useful in UK airspace on UK papers…

PS: IMCR/IRR can be done by freelance instructor in owner aircraft where none of them is “attached to ATO/DTO”, what I call a bloody damn good IFR rating if you pick a proper IRI who teach it and understand CAS/OCAS, you get better value for money going with someone who go from grass strips under striaght into 2km & OVC006 for 2h session on GPS and back on ILS/GPS with IFR/VFR mix, you no longer a virgin

Last Edited by Ibra at 23 Jun 07:30
Paris/Essex, France, , United Kingdom

Ibra wrote:

EASA DTO can also train for IMCR/IRR as well, altough it’s only useful in UK airspace on UK papers…

I’m sure a UK based one can. But a non-UK based one? I haven’t seen any mention of that in the Air crew regulation. We all know that the IR(R) is a national UK thing that the EU grudgingly accepted.

ESKC (Uppsala/Sundbro), Sweden

Airborne_Again wrote:

But a non-UK based one?

Maybe history now but 2 in Spain (Austro/CAA), 3 in Florida (CAA), 1 in France (DGAC) but all had CAA IRE…not sure if it’s still the case now

Last Edited by Ibra at 23 Jun 08:11
Paris/Essex, France, , United Kingdom

Ibra wrote:

all had CAA IRE

That’s the thing, isn’t it?

ESKC (Uppsala/Sundbro), Sweden

The Dutch Inspectie Leefomgeving en Transport (ILT or Human Environment and Transport Inspectorate) has written back to me about my cunning plan (within two days, which is amazingly good):

“There is no objection that you will follow a PPL(A) theory course at an approved ATO or DTO in a country other than The Netherlands and that you will do the PPL(A) theoretical examinations in Brussels and you will follow the practical training at an approved ATO or DTO in The Netherlands.

Please note that the ATO or DTO that is responsible for the PPL(A) theoretical course is also responsible to determine that your theoretical knowledge level is sufficient to undertake the PPL(A) theoretial knowledge examinations. The concerning ATO or DTO has to recommend you for this exam."

This truly made my day :)

Last Edited by philipus at 23 Jun 19:05
Netherlands
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