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A very nice comparison @mh but I don’t know anyone who would take off with just one hour of fuel on board. As with the required reserve of 45’ it would be a very short flight…

I have included 30 min. reserve on top of an hour flight at approx 75%…

mh
Aufwind GmbH
EKPB, Germany

Here’s a contrarian view:

Forget all the microlight or whatever it’s called BS. Get a proper airplane. A C182 Peterson. You can bimble at 40 kts but can also traverse Europe at 140 kts (I’ve done both in one of these magical contraptions). You can load wifie, friends, kitchen sink plus bags and strap mountain bikes to the wings (yes, really, there’s a mod for this). Land on a dime and take off almost like a helo. There you go. You’re all set.

a reserve of only 10 minutes is required

You better have a very low Vs and avoid any terrain or water – because you will end up testing it fairly often

On any plane with more than two seats where you can fill the tanks and fill all the seats, I would say the tanks are too small.

I would agree, for modern sized people. But most planes flying today were designed decades ago, when people were much smaller, on average.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

But most planes flying today were designed decades ago, when people were much smaller, on average.

There was a writer here that extrapolated the growth in average height of humans, all back to the Viking age. He found out the Vikings were 20 cm tall

The elephant is the circulation
ENVA ENOP ENMO, Norway

aart wrote:

Yes, these kind of machines did cross my mind! Problem is that the UL fields here do not allow operation of anything like LSA or VLA..

What? and why would people do that? Is that a common practice further south in Europe?

The elephant is the circulation
ENVA ENOP ENMO, Norway

LeSving wrote:

What? and why would people do that? Is that a common practice further south in Europe?

Further South for you in Norway means basically everywhere outside Scandinavia :)

And yes, it is quite common for such fields who are mostly private and quite often only available for based ULM’s with PPR for others. Quite a few ULM fields are only approved for ULM’s by the CAA in question. Some I’ve seen are also too short to accomodate other than STOL certified airplanes. Pal of mine was trying to learn to fly on a field in France where the runway was 250×10 m and had a hangar within 30 m next to the runway… I would not like to try that with anything actually and it would not be allowed on any airfield accomodating other things than ULM’s.

The other bit is that quite a lot of such fields live with constant threat by it’s neigbours not to exceed more than a few movements per day and therefore have not much interest loosing these to non-based people. That is even true for some larger airfields which do allow certified traffic, such as Oberschleissheim in Munich who have only 500 movements per year for non-based planes.

LSZH(work) LSZF (GA base), Switzerland

What is the regulatory motivation behind ULM-only airfields?

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Peter wrote:

What is the regulatory motivation behind ULM-only airfields?

As I understand it the same as behind the ULM scene as a whole, basically very few regulative requirements as opposed to airfields which have certified traffic.

LSZH(work) LSZF (GA base), Switzerland

Peter wrote:

What is the regulatory motivation behind ULM-only airfields?

In Italy, where there are three levels of airport the regulatory motivation appears to be that ULM fields (the ‘lowest’ level of the three) do not require any planning permission. An explanation was posted here.

boscomantico wrote:

In all fairness, all 172s after 1997 cannot be flown (within MTOM) with four adults at all. With the most widespread models, say 1973-1982, it really depends on the single aircraft.

In our C172s we have 398kg useful load. (+4 kg taxi fuel)
2 × 90kg up front
2 × 70kg in the back
100 ltr (app 2h + 45 min reserve)
no luggage.

pmh
ekbr ekbi, Denmark
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