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Are there pilots here that travel around Europe with an ultralight ?

I do!

mktime wrote:

em on the field, need good tie down for wind as they are ultralight :-)
taking some tie down with us and something to fix on the ground ( increasing weight )
- solution for fuel, but we still could make stops to find avgas in certified airfields
- security to leave them on an empty field

- I carry tie-down equipment. But a lot of fields also have a cable or rings, so if I know I’m going to “bigger” airfields I just take ropes.
- I mostly just fuel UL91 or AVGAS on trips. In France it’s easy with the Total Card. Most ULs have quite a big range, so you don’t need to fuel every stop.
- Security depends a bit on the location but until now I never had an issue.

EBMO, EBKT

Well found Ibra I’d never bothered to think about it in the French.

France

LeSving wrote:

What does ULM stand for? UL I get (I think in French), but the M?

ULM = Ultralégère Motorisée (UL with an Engine )

Last Edited by Ibra at 10 Aug 17:15
Paris/Essex, France/UK, United Kingdom

Ultra light machine I believe.

France

ULM What does ULM stand for? UL I get (I think in French), but the M?

The elephant is the circulation
ENVA ENOP ENMO, Norway

There are a couple of ULM sites in the Frejus area so you don’t need to go into Cannes.
LF8352 and LF8358.

France

Hello Michael,
Apart what I sent you by email about my current research, the biggest issue in Cannes is

That’s why I am currently looking for an alternate one. Could be a VLA king registered in another country or an MCR4…

Last Edited by greg_mp at 10 Aug 15:53
LFMD, France

There are many ULM owners that fly across Europe, in particular Germans. And even beyond, to Northern Africa.

I recently did a little tour involving my home country Spain, France, Germany, Czech Republic and The Netherlands with my certified aircraft and just replayed in my mind what if it would have been an ULM, with the range of the Savannah you refer to. It would have been exactly the same trip and no added permits, disregarding the Spanish permit for a second. Note that I have only once refueled just 50 liters of AVGAS and could have avoided it. Mogas/UL91 available in many places, just needs a bit of planning. The nicest place? Viladamat, near Ampuriabrava, LEAP. “Hello Aart, I assume you know how to drive. Here’s the keys. Two cans in the back, fuel station 2 mins up the road”. No landing fees of course, and don’t insult them with a voluntary contribution.

Good idea to have some means to anchor your aircraft to the ground, but these need not to be that heavy. Especially if you take into consideration that you may end up in ‘posh’ places like Avignon Caumont (LEMV) and can get blown away not only by the Mistral but also by bizjets.. UL91 on that field too btw.

Like Gallois said, the ULM scene is quite something in France alone. The only drawback is that France did not follow the ‘opt-out’ rules for mass limitations like in many other European countries, so your MTOM is limited to 525kg (assuming a chute). You can make your own sums as to what payload the Savannah would give you. I’m talking about legal payload of course. I know various Savannah owners. Great design, easy to fly and get into short fields, sturdy enough, not very fast though, cruising at about 80-90KIAS. But who cares if you are just touring and enjoying the trip. EDIT: the max cruise speeds mentioned in the brochure you posted need to be taken with a grain of salt, like so often..

Last Edited by aart at 10 Aug 14:01
Private field, Mallorca, Spain

Yes there are some obstacles that might make things a little difficult on occasions but like your heavier bretheren they can usually be overcome and according to many I know, with a lot less stress and cost.

I will put it this way. There are some bureaucratic nonsense here and there (Norway being one of the worst in fact, in this regard). The thing is, it doesn’t seem to stop anyone, because the bureaucracy itself works just fine nuisance – yes, showstopper – no. There are less to it than filing a flight plan.

Last Edited by LeSving at 10 Aug 11:49
The elephant is the circulation
ENVA ENOP ENMO, Norway

The permissions needed for crossing borders these days are getting a lot easier. As written on another thread permissions granted for 6 months in Spain and I believe it is the same in Italy. The difference from France is that Spain requires a class 2 medical I believe.
AIUI Germany doesn’t have a problem with 3 axis ULMs and neither do many other European countries. You may have to avoid the large expensive airfields, many still don’t like ULM, but many of those same airfields don’t like GA of any kind except business jets.
But that leads to another and probably the biggest problem. You will more than likely be welcomed at a huge number of small airfields around Europe, but you may need to have a few words of the local language. Many of these fields in France, Italy, Spain have no one around who speaks your language or English.
But often, where there’s a will there’s a way, and with a bit of perserverance and patience landing at the small fields will not only be interesting but also fun and rewarding, the opportunity of making many new friends. And the costs of landing fees and parking are zero to insignificant. You are using the same fuel as you would in a car and you get to see interesting places away from the normal tourist spots.
Yes there are some obstacles that might make things a little difficult on occasions but like your heavier bretheren they can usually be overcome and according to many I know, with a lot less stress and cost.

Last Edited by gallois at 10 Aug 08:13
France
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