Limoges LFBL and Dijon LFSD - more Schengen defying PN on international flights - is France doing another Schengen suspension?

I agree for POE, things have to go into AIP + NOTAM for like Limoges & Dijon, otherwise how the heck one is suppose to know it…I was told in Chateauroux that NOTAM will be issued by end of Aug22, I have not seen anything yet?

For non-POE it’s already covered in GEN AIP: private flights intra-Schengen don’t need anything (what those legal websites clarify MD questions: non-POE can be used with FPL even under schengen is suspended and PN does not apply to diversions, most non-POE don’t even have AIP or VAC entry and don’t have NOTAMS)

Ibra wrote:

It’s hard to explain why lot of POE need PN/PPR while small non POE don’t? if anyone has an explanation, I am happy to take it?

Remember the Ministry for Silly Walks?

We need something like that for silly rules. Offenders are then punished by performing the Fish Slapping Dance.

Peter wrote:

Each little thing like this is another nail in the coffin of using GA for going places.

This is especially so for aircraft wanting airfields with IAP, which are mostly those designated as POE. For the many VFR aircraft that prefer smaller airfields, this is not an issue since it is possible to fly directly to/from these airfields from/to Spain, Germany, Austria, Italy.

What is even ore frustrating is that they are so confused, they can‘t even word these NOTAMs properly.

See the Dijon example. Or the mentioned Auxerre one:

For all inbound and outbound Schengen flights : customs O/R.

What the hell does that mean? A disgrace to have so many idiots in this field. If you are issuing NOTAMs, you should speak proper English. Are French airport NOTAMs not translated by properly trained central NOTAM office staff?

Here is an Europa list of countries that have temporarily suspended Schengen

List of Temporary Suspensions

It lists France as

France 1/11/2022 – 30/04/2023 New terrorist threats, organised criminality and activity of organised groups of smugglers, risk of arrival of persons who could pose a threat among the flow of refugees, irregular migration, secondary movements, the situation at the external border (Ukraine war); all internal borders as well as sea and air borders

But that doesn’t make it clear if it’s airport by airport on a case by case basis or all airports.

There are also entries for Austria, Denmark, Czechia, Norway & Sweden.

Hello all,

I frequently fly to the French border region to southwestern Germany (Alsace, Lorraine, Franche-Comté). PN for Schengen flights is virtually unknown here. Absolutely no one cares at small microlight sites (“bases ULM”) and typical club-operated airfields (like Haguenau, Saint-Die, or Habsheim), but there are also no NOTAMS for larger and towered airports like Nancy-Essey or Colmar-Houssen.

French ATC is interested in receiving an appropriate flightplan and a border crossing notification on FIS or Approach frequencies, but that’s about it. Return trips to Germany are even more unbureaucratic, as the DGAC does not insist on flightplans being submitted one hour in advance for VFR flights. This can easily be done at the holding point if necessary.