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Ahh, forgot about IONITY. A joint venture between VW, Audi, Porsche, BMW, Daimler and Ford for fast chargers throughout Europe. They will be really fast, 350 kW DC, and using CCS/Combo. They have already started in Norway, where Cirkle K stations (Previosly Statoil gas stations) will be used. 350 kW is about 3 times as fast as the fastest Tesla chargers. Their aim is to be the fastest chargers on the main roads.

Press release.

The elephant is the circulation
ENVA ENOP ENMO, Norway

I’d love to short circuit those 350kW pins!

One thing in that presentation was that the Norwegian model cannot be exported elsewhere in Europe.

Loads of oil exports so the carbon is generated by others and cheap electricity

Regarding 20 kW plus chargers, transplant that all the way down your street

In GA applications you would have the 3 phase ok but the charging downtime will be a big issue, and the market is too small for any development. Even car makers can’t agree on the format but there are bigger issues.

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Are any of the electric trainers available yet? To me that seems the real low-hanging fruit.

@kwlf – Pipistrel Alpha Electro.

Peter wrote:

Even car makers can’t agree on the format but there are bigger issues.

There are uniform standards in the car industry. For all of Europe it is Type 2 and CCD. The next revision of CCD will also cover inductive charging. The idea of standardizing the batteries themselves and swapping them was silly (Shai Agassi’s company that went bust) because battery technology is still in its infant stages and you can’t standardize something that isn’t well developed.

Regarding 20 kW plus chargers, transplant that all the way down your street

Imagine the looks on the faces of the ruling class some 150 years ago when somebody come up with the hypothesis that every household will have an electric connection one day in the future…

You keep coming back to this “it doesn’t scale if every household draws x amps” but you keep ignoring that this is not the plan at all. The plan is to have a dense network of public very fast DC charging stations. This is scalable. With 350kW, battery charging becomes very comparable to gas tank refuelling.

Peter wrote:

Loads of oil exports so the carbon is generated by others and cheap electricity

What does the fact that Norway has an infinite supply of hydro power to do with the fact that Norway also has oil and exports it? Maybe that oil (fossil and whale oil) has made Norway filthy rich so they can be avant-garde but what else? Germany/Japan are also rich without oil and the UK are as well.

Imagine the balls of this other tiny insular country that had the gall of also being avant-gardist installing an electric transport system based on induction charging.

As seen in Milton Keynes

http://www.cbi.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/milton-keynes-wirelessly-charged-electric-buses/

and soon on more and more of TfL’s signature red buses.

https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2014/august/new-hybrid-bus-charging-technology-trial-announced

https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2017/july/tfl-and-the-mayor-announce-more-fully-electric-bus-routes-to-cut-toxic-emissions

Can you buy the pipistrel alpha electro in a form in which you can use it in a flying school?

Apparently available since 2015

http://www.pipistrel.si/plane/alpha-electro/overview

The price in 2015 was around 70k€. The battery pack is swappable within minutes which makes it suitable for flight school use provided that the fast charging is fast enough. I don’t know how fast it is.

As those DC car fast charging stations are being built all over with government subsidies, it would be trivial for an airfield to encourage the project owners to built one on there premises, shared by aircraft and cars.

Last Edited by achimha at 26 Nov 14:52

Pipistrel has designed a fast charge station able to charge two Electro planes at the same time, one hour to charge.

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