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That’s funny – that original was posted a few posts back, and somebody produced a new version with different subtitles. It’s like the many parodies of the film The Bunker.

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

So understandable, these women. Hopefully another little crack in that horrible regime.

From an article: The wives of the mobilized are no longer taking it. In all kinds of ways they try to draw attention to the fate of their husbands, sons, fathers and brothers, such as with films of their actions. In a video, women force their way into the Voronezh Provincial House to demand that the governor remove their men from the front.

Last Edited by aart at 18 Nov 18:27
Private field, Mallorca, Spain

Russia long ago lost any right to the benefit-of-the-doubt. They like to claim they are strong, but also always the victim (e.g. see the Russian doping scandal, “it was all a plot from the nasty west to paint Russia in a bad light” once they got caught).

Putin could shoot a man in front of 100 witnesses, and he would with a straight face, and while standing over the still warm body, smoking gun in hand, would claim that he didn’t do it and it was a plot by the nasty old Americans/British/French etc. to discredit Russia.

Andreas IOM

alioth wrote:

Putin could shoot a man in front of 100 witnesses, and he would with a straight face, and while standing over the still warm body, smoking gun in hand, would claim that he didn’t do it and it was a plot by the nasty old Americans/British/French etc. to discredit Russia.

That’s true and – at the same time and not without coincidence – eerily reminiscent of Donald Trump who behaves in much the same way (“grab them by the pussy”).

We are living in an era where lots of “leaders” around the world share this trait of deliberately ignoring the truth and just repeating lies over and over again until their followers believe any public reference to the actual truth to be deliberately misinformation and a smear campaign by their political opponents. And in a way, Putin is both their idol and sponsor.

Low-hours pilot
EDVM Hildesheim, Germany

Just my opinion, but I’d suggest looking closer to home for that kind of behavior @MedEwok, particularly in regard to the bright future of Europe without adequate defense or secure energy, as preached to you by your ‘leaders’ over the last twenty or so years. A completely brainless philosophy in reality, noted by those overseas but despite that unrecognized by the brainwashed masses of e.g. Germany.

All it took was the arrival of the current similarly incompetent US Federal administration two years ago and it all came crashing down as Putin saw his chance.

Last Edited by Silvaire at 20 Nov 16:29

I’ve been reading that almost all of the Panzerhaubitze 2000 self propelled guns have packed up (electronics failures) and have been shipped to Poland for repair. Is this true?

The Gephard reportedly works very well though, especially against the cheap suicide drones.

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Peter wrote:

The Gepard reportedly works very well though, especially against the cheap suicide drones.

Yes, it was actually mentioned in a press release a few days ago.

LKBU (near Prague), Czech Republic

Silvaire wrote:

Just my opinion, but I’d suggest looking closer to home for that kind of behavior @MedEwok, particularly in regard to the bright future of Europe without adequate defense or secure energy, as preached to you by your ‘leaders’ over the last twenty or so years.

That’s a different issue. A mistaken leader, or even a negligent one – which is what you’re describing, is a bit different to a mendacious leader.

And Europe has had those, too – Boris Johnson a big case in point. It seems to be a defining attribute of populist leaders.

Andreas IOM

“Populist” is a description used by those who claim to worry about threats to democracy, while actually being worried about threats to themselves from democracy.

Guys, if you create another politics thread, it will eventually get moved to the Politics thread.

If you want a thread there on Trump, Putin, Boris, Vlad the Impaler, whatever, that’s OK. It is allowed. It was only after a load of virtue signalling material by one individual (who spent his last few years here crapping on EuroGA, before his final removal) that a final paragraph was added to Guidelines asking for Politics forum posters to also be participating in GA matters in the forum generally.

But remember that Europe has become extra nationalist in the last few years (a “perfect storm”, as the Americans call it, of things going wrong: covid, brexit, vaccine wars, Russia’s invasion which has rather a lot of supporters in W Europe – just look at which mainland GA forums you get beaten up on if you support Ukraine – end of cheap gas, bills rising, taxes rising) and finally remember that a “populist leader” is really somebody who ~50% of almost any country will vote for, to the dismay of the other 50% of whom half don’t care and the other half are high-brow champagne socialists

Oh and don’t forget that almost nobody will criticise their own country on our international forum The reaction to “foreigner criticism” varies from passive (Brits; everybody slags them off) to explosive (I won’t give examples).

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom
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