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Peter wrote:

This is why for example, in the UK, the newspaper which often gets the real stories is this one which is otherwise full of unbelievable trash.

You may have a point. I just read this, which certainly is a “real story”.

Also, it taught me a new English word.

ESKC (Uppsala/Sundbro), Sweden

Well quality journalism as to be expected by the daily mail.

I noticed this graph in the article linked by AA.

According to it in July the USA had over 70k cases per day, per 100k population for several days running!

Obviously that’s hogswash!

EIWT Weston, Ireland

This Guardian article points to new evidence that children are indeed less contagious than adults (about 50% as much on average, over all age groups), with smaller children in particular having much lower transmission rates of SARS-COV2.

Last Edited by MedEwok at 10 Aug 07:17
Low-hours pilot
EDVM Hildesheim, Germany

dublinpilot wrote:

According to it in July the USA had over 70k cases per day, per 100k population for several days running!

Obviously that’s hogswash

Somebody must have been confused while labelling the graph. 70k total new cases per day seem realistic for the given time frame.

Last Edited by MedEwok at 10 Aug 17:06
Low-hours pilot
EDVM Hildesheim, Germany

The UK has just reported that 6% of the population are believed to have had the virus. That is the same number as quite a while ago, so no chance of “herd immunity”.

London is still probably 20%, like before…

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Germany reported the highest number of daily infections since early May, at 1400 (peak was in April, at 6000). The average age of the newly infected has dropped significantly, to 34 years, meaning its mainly the young who are now catching (and spreading) the virus.

It will be interesting to see what happens with schools opening again after summer break. North Rhine Westphalia began the next school year this week, with compulsory masks for all students even during lessons (the only federal state to impose such a requirement).

Low-hours pilot
EDVM Hildesheim, Germany

Peter wrote:

The UK has just reported that 6% of the population are believed to have had the virus. That is the same number as quite a while ago, so no chance of “herd immunity”.

London is still probably 20%, like before…

6% seems like a lot. In Germany, the total number of registered cases is more like 0,3% of the population. The “true” number of cases would have to be 20 times the official number for us to be at 6%.

With 20% you already get a significant reduction in the number of possible new infections from any social gathering…assuming all those are now immune.

Low-hours pilot
EDVM Hildesheim, Germany

I think a 10x uplift is about right, with the non-Govt initatives like the Zoe app (where people self-report symptoms) suggesting maybe 20×.

Indeed, London numbers have come down quite fast and it’s definitely not due to changing behaviour

(you need to be following the UK news about replacing the normal exams with a form of “continuous assessment” and obviously this has p1ssed off a lot of people; it is not something which can be done retrospectively in a way which pleases everybody)

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

I have also read of a 20% immunity rate for Londoners, but that won’t be a uniform incidence throughout the capital’s population.

Health workers, cleaners, transport workers and users, call centre staff, etc. will have far higher rates than those who mostly stayed at home.

As ever, those whose jobs or lifestyles expose them to infection are those who are most likely to get it, and in turn most likely to have had it.

Which is why a “second wave” could be milder than the first, due to much higher immunity rates amongst those most open to exposure.

Unfortunately that only holds for those areas like London which suffered badly the first time round.

White Waltham EGLM, United Kingdom

Looking at the figures we have to conclude that all the efforts made in the initial wave to bring this pandemic under control are failing due to societies inability to deal with crisis and display readiness to forego personal freedom for panem and circenses. Therefore, there is no more hope to control this, it will become a world wide apocalyptic event. Maybe the few nations which appear to have understood the significance and are imposing strict measures may survive, like NZ or Australia, but the Western countries will have to live with this horror for years of not decades due to the inability to control their populations in such situations.

When freedom is mistaken for egoistic pursuit of past times, when people put their own comfort and laziness before the common good, when so called world leaders bow to trivial pursuits and put their re-election before the safety of the people they are sworn to protect, then we get the situation we have now.

And no, it is not the question of telling those who are scared to death to protect themselfs and let the rest run into their demise willingly. For the first time in ages, mankind is asked to take care of ONE ANOTHER and it fails miserably to rise up to that challenge but will, once we have lost who and what is dear to us to this pandemic, will without any doubt follow the first rat catcher appearing and claiming to be the saviour of a failed society. I am starting to see these times to be comparable to Europe in the 1930ties only that it is not only one country in danger of falling into the hands of evil but all of them.

There is literally no mountain high enough from which to adequately express my contempt for all this.

Last Edited by Mooney_Driver at 15 Aug 12:21
LSZH(work) LSZF (GA base), Switzerland
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