We are taught that the FAA requirement is primarily a fuel planning requirement and the pilot is in no way bound to use it.
I believe it is the same thing in Europe, although I haven’t looked it up. I don’t even think that the FPLs are distributed to the airports filed as alternates.
NCYankee wrote:
The AFTN routing is much simpler in the US. For IFR, only the center (FIR) that the flightplan originates in is addressed. Center handles any additional distribution as needed.It is just as simple in Europe. Simpler, actually, as all IFR flight plans are sent to the same place (Eurocontrol) regardless of where the flight originates. (You actually address the flight plan to two places as Eurocontrol have two flight plan processing systems for redundancy, but the addresses are still always the same.)
That’s true only for IFR (“I”) and partly-IFR (Z and Y) flight plans and these go via a VPN or some such to Eurocontrol, not via the AFTN.
V go solely via the AFTN, and Z and Y have to be duplicated to the AFTN also. That’s why it is cheaper to offer just “I” because you don’t have to pay for the AFTN mailbox which is not cheap – some portion of $1 per message I vaguely recall, mostly provided by companies in the USA.
The alternate will get the FP via the AFTN if it is addressed; I don’t remember if it is addressed. With Eurocontrol-only filing (“I” plans) I don’t know either, but it would be fairly easy to establish. Anyone working in ATC will know.
PPR Prior Permission Required.
This is not correct. PPR stands for Prior Permission Requirements. It has literally nothing to do with a permission being required. The airport may have special pattern or other strangeness you have to know about. Actually optaining an explicit permission may be one of those requirements, but that is not the main purpose of PPR, and is not a usual requirement.
LeSving wrote:
This is not correct. PPR stands for Prior Permission Requirements.
From AIP Norge GEN 2.2:
Forhåndstillatelse nødvendig | PPR | Prior permission required |
Actually optaining an explicit permission may be one of those requirements, but that is not the main purpose of PPR, and is not a usual requirement.
If prior permission is required, then permission is required before.
AIP is wrong
LeSving wrote:
AIP is wrong
The British and French as well?
AIP UK:
PPR | Prior Permission Required |
AIP France:
PPR | Autorisation préalable nécessaire | Prior permission required |
When looking through the lists of abbreviations, I noticed that
PNR=Point of no Return
instead of “Prior Notice Required”… The correct abbreviation for “Prior Notice Required” is “PN”
Peter wrote:
That’s true only for IFR (“I”) and partly-IFR (Z and Y) flight plans and
Silvaire was talking about IFR flight plans, so I was talking about that, too.
these go via a VPN or some such to Eurocontrol, not via the AFTN.
Huh? Of course you can file with Eurocontrol through AFTN. I’m 99% sure that’s what Autorouter does. If you look in the AIP of any Eurocontrol state, you should find the addresses.
(That doesn’t mean that there are also some way to access the Eurocontrol computers directly.)
LeSving wrote:
AIP is wrong
Please, LeSving. You are making a fool of yourself.