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Strange METAR or TAF / METAR or TAF interpretation

No idea how they handle it at EGKA but sure you can produce a TAF if sufficient information is available. In this day and age it is possible that they obtain what is necessary via automated stations nearby.

Occasionally it is done that TAFs can be produced by forecasters even for non metar airports.

And I have never ever heard of money involved in such stuff.

LSZH(work) LSZF (GA base), Switzerland

Nobody I know at EGKA seems to know the answer either, but I recall a past occassion when an AOC flight needed a TAF to be legal per its operating manual, and a sum of £££ was paid to the Met Office to produce one using some nearby METARs. The flight was billed for this, of course.

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

How does this work?

EGKA needs to issue two metars before the met office produces a taf – normally.

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Looks fog never materialised after 0820Z in both places? maybe some was in EGHH before 0620Z but did lift-off already by 0750Z? in EGHI it never materialised…

Paris/Essex, France/UK, United Kingdom

Ibra wrote:

Do you have the next METAR?

METAR EGHI 221050Z 10003KT CAVOK 05/03 Q1019=
METAR EGHI 221020Z 00000KT CAVOK 03/02 Q1019=
METAR EGHI 220950Z 00000KT CAVOK 02/01 Q1020=
METAR EGHI 220920Z 12001KT CAVOK M02/M02 Q1020=
METAR EGHI 220850Z 10001KT CAVOK M01/M02 Q1020=
METAR EGHI 220820Z 09002KT CAVOK M04/M04 Q1021=
METAR EGHI 220750Z 00000KT CAVOK M03/M04 Q1021=
METAR COR EGHI 220720Z 06002KT CAVOK M03/M04 Q1021=
METAR EGHI 220650Z VRB01KT CAVOK M03/M04 Q1020=
METAR EGHI 220620Z VRB01KT CAVOK M03/M03 Q1020=

METAR EGHH 221050Z 13012KT CAVOK 07/02 Q1018=
METAR EGHH 221020Z 11007KT 060V170 CAVOK 06/02 Q1018=
METAR EGHH 220950Z 13011KT CAVOK 06/01 Q1018=
METAR EGHH 220920Z 14009KT CAVOK 06/02 Q1019=
METAR EGHH 220850Z 13010KT CAVOK 06/02 Q1019=
METAR EGHH 220820Z 13010KT CAVOK 05/02 Q1019=
METAR EGHH 220750Z 13009KT CAVOK 05/02 Q1020=
METAR EGHH 220720Z 14010KT 9999 FEW018 05/02 Q1020=
METAR EGHH 220650Z 15008KT 110V180 8000 FEW017 05/02 Q1020=
METAR EGHH 220620Z 14009KT 7000 FEW017 02/00 Q1020=

In coastal areas, you don’t have to travel far for large temperature differences. Quite often where I live (near the coast) it can be well above freezing, but go a mile or two inland and there’s a hard frost.

Sometimes when riding my bike to/from the office, I’ve felt a definite boundary between cold and warm air, too.

Last Edited by alioth at 23 Dec 10:59
Andreas IOM

Peter wrote:

EGHI 220820Z 09002KT CAVOK M04/M04 Q1021
EGHH 220820Z 13010KT CAVOK 05/02 Q1019

They have same elevations and very close to each other but:
- EGHI is more inland with less wind from ground friction (and maybe extra later from IoW & Solent) and very cold ground, there is a high risk of freezing fog
- EGHH is near sea and windy (benefit from more night sea breeze, in CAVOK night you still get a hot sea and cold land after sunset), I would still expect EGHH to have a risk of advection fog as moist hot air go over cold land

If fog ever decided to appear (which it did not as it CAVOK ), I would have expected EGHH & EGKA to be foggy 1st (even if it’s windy) then EGHI & EGKK 2nd !

Do you have the next METAR?

Last Edited by Ibra at 22 Dec 09:45
Paris/Essex, France/UK, United Kingdom

Fog banks at both EGHI and EGKK.

France

What about these ones? They aren’t far from each other either:

EGKK 220820Z 10005KT CAVOK M02/M03 Q1021
EGKA 220820Z 13010KT CAVOK 05/02 Q1021

EGTR

How is this possible, with the two airports so close

EGHI 220820Z 09002KT CAVOK M04/M04 Q1021
EGHH 220820Z 13010KT CAVOK 05/02 Q1019

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom
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