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FCC radio telephone operators permit / radio station license

Qalupalik wrote:

My emphasis. The operator of an aircraft station licensed by FCC must hold a commercial radio operator permit or license (sic) except to “[o]perate a VHF telephony transmitter providing domestic service or used on domestic flights.” 47 CFR 87.89. The exception is consistent with provisions 37.4 and 37.5 in the ITU RRs for transmitting on channels not assigned for international use in the VHF band. It is not clear whether section 87.89 may be satisfied by a non-US operator certificate. The trouble with this interpretation is that Peter for example could operate his US aircraft radio in UK using an Industry Canada restricted operator certificate with aeronautical qualification in compliance with art 149(3)(b) of the UK ANO

For standalone FAA PPL flying outside the UK, I think one certainly need that FCC paper I am not sure on what legal/recognition basis you can use a UK RT paper, especially with differences in RT/ELP requirements between FAA land and EASA land

On 61.75 FAA PPL, it is a theoretical question inside national airspace and a bit grey outside national airspace, anyway it does not cost much money and hassle to get

Paris/Essex, France/UK, United Kingdom

The requirement is neither grey nor theoretical. Operating a US aircraft radio outside US requires a radiotelephone operator certificate issued or recognised by FCC. The US is bound to make that requirement because it is a party to the ITU convention and regulations. No concession in UK law can alter it. The choice of pilot licence is not relevant.

The language proficiency endorsement required on a pilot licence is in pursuance of ICAO Annex 1 standards. These are independent of the ITU RR requirements covering the radiotelephone service of an aircraft station. See related post in thread Italian pilot with French licence on Italian radio (link).

London, United Kingdom

Interesting comment about the license being irrelevant to the radio operator license requirement. Thank you, as always, for clearing that up.

tmo
EPKP - Kraków, Poland

Qalupalik wrote:

Operating a US aircraft radio outside US requires a radiotelephone operator certificate issued or recognised by FCC

Thank for clarification, unless one gets an FCC recognition there is no way to operate an N-reg, except in no-radio airfields !

Isn’t already a fact that FCC would already recognise UK RT holders to operate radio stations (in their G-regs) in the USA?
But I guess that recognition goes with temporary operations under permits/exemptions, at least this is the case for ground based amateurs stations:
https://rsgb.org/main/operating/licensing-novs-visitors/operating-for-visitors/
https://rsgb.org/main/operating/licensing-novs-visitors/operating-abroad/
http://www.arrl.org/foreign-licenses-operating-in-u-s
http://www.arrl.org/us-amateurs-operating-overseas

So it will be hard to keep this running on a permanent basis,

Personally I got an FCC on FAA61.75 (blame this on Peter ) but before that I flew an N-reg over a long period using national licence…

Paris/Essex, France/UK, United Kingdom

Ibra wrote:

Isn’t already a fact that FCC would already recognise UK RT holders to operate radio stations (in their G-regs) in the USA?

Yes that’s a requirement made in article 37 of the ITU RRs. It’s in US regulations at 47 CFR 87.191.

A UK-licensed pilot, ineligible for employment in US and lacking a US pilot certificate, is ineligible for a US radio operator certificate. It would therefore be extremely daft if FCC refused to automatically recognise a UK FRTOL in this scenario.

London, United Kingdom
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