ChatGPT autorouter
It produces routes but none of them are valid. I tried for about 1/2 hour but no matter the constraints I gave it, the routes would use waypoints that either were in another country far off the route, or used airways which go in the wrong direction.
Anyone else have a go at it? I also tried Bing but it was even worse.
Given that IFR routes are subject to given rules and constraints, an AI based tool is counterintuitive.
What could work is requesting a solution to the mess that is european IFR route planning for low performance airplanes (all reciprocating engine powered single engine airplanes).
Snoopy wrote:
Given that IFR routes are subject to given rules and constraints, an AI based tool is counterintuitive.
Yes and no. Finding valid IFR routes is a search problem. AI could certainly help with such a search.
The search is trivial. I was a beta tester for several of these, last time the Autorouter.
Then you have to get a paid B2B access to Eurocontrol for iterative validation.
The challenge today is providing continuous support to irate users for free, necessary because a well privately funded individual is providing a very good tool for free… for now at least 
That said, ChatGPT is unbelievable and I am surprised somebody hasn’t started a thread in Hangar Talk on it
Airborne_Again wrote:
Yes and no. Finding valid IFR routes is a search problem. AI could certainly help with such a search.
I doubt it is a search problem, given the organic nature of Eurocontrol ‘systematics’.
AI does not give birth to I, it is an I-parasite, using and eating it.
MichaLSA wrote:
I doubt it is a search problem
Speaking as a computer scientist, by definition it is a search problem.
Back in the day when I did cough AI code, everything was a search problem in some graph or state: DFS, BFS, A*, MinMax…that was AI in the context of gaming which is no different than AutoRouter problem
I fail to see the extra utility of AI techniques in Language and Image processing into “combinatorial routing problems”? having said that, it’s impressive to solve something as easy as 2*X = 10 using ChatGptDeepAffineSolver with Vec2Word in T-SNE space with StochGradientBackProp…compute is distributed and it sells very well in presentations
What would be interesting is some NLP program that reads EuroGA and other online resources and figure things out on what works with Eurocontrol filing and flying while adding value to AR routings
There also must be some algorithm there, something computing minima/maxima, and fast, or the problem will take for ever to solve, or the results are very suboptimal.
Autorouting is done with
A practical implementation is a lot more work, obviously, but the above simple one used to work on the early tools (Autoplan, FlightPlanPro) c. 2008.
You spend a huge amount of time hacking the code afterwards, because
Then you have to deal with supporting a few k users who want it all free of charge
Eurocontrol put a lot of work into protecting the business of Jeppesen, with whom they had some secret deal, and worked hard to obfuscate their public validation gateway to prevent the creation of routing tools. Eventually they managed to force router services to use their paid B2B gateway. That is what Autorouter, Foreflight and Rocketroute now use.
This is nothing to do with “AI”. It is just a hard slog writing a load of code, putting a web front on it, and hosting it somewhere. Then you try to license it to get some money back; the Autorouter is licensed to Garmin. Then you need to validate new signups as far as possible (I had that job for a year or two for the Autorouter) but really all you can do is not authorise somebody with an email address of [email protected]
Peter wrote:
This is nothing to do with “AI”.
I never claimed that AR etc. uses any AI techniques. I simply said that machine learning techniques could be used to facilitate the search.
