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Why don't all TAFs forecast temperature?

They do the wind, cloudbase, etc, but temperature can be important for runway performance.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Peter wrote:

They do the wind, cloudbase, etc, but temperature can be important for runway performance.

They do for some, for example:
TAF: LEZL 301400Z 3015/0115 25009KT 9999 SCT040 TX19/0115Z TN09/0107Z PROB40 TEMPO 3015/0107 4000 RA BR BKN012
Means Max temp +19C at 15Z on 01-May and Min temp +9C at 07Z on 01-May at Seville.

EGTR

Interesting. seems a bit random which airport do and which don’t at least in a quick random sample…

couldn’t find a UK airport doing it (not EGLL, EGKK, …)
LFPG/LFML do, but LFPO/LFMN don’t…

EGTF, United Kingdom

Obviously some countries do it, some don’t.

TAF LDZA 302325Z 0100/0200 04005KT CAVOK TX22/0114Z TN11/0104Z PROB30 TEMPO 0100/0104 04008KT PROB40 TEMPO 0115/0122 TSRA FEW035CB BKN040 PROB30 TEMPO 0115/0118 22020G30KT PROB40 TEMPO 0122/0200 0500 FG=

LDZA LDVA, Croatia

OK I added “all” to the thread name

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

I chose random airports in US and Mexico and they show the temperatures in TAF.

TAF KLFI 010100Z 0101/0207 21009KT 9999 FEW040 SCT180 QNH2990INS BECMG 0109/0110 23009KT 9000 BR FEW030 SCT040 QNH2990INS BECMG 0110/0111 24012KT 9000 DZ SCT020 BKN025 QNH2992INS BECMG 0120/0121 26009KT 9999 NSW FEW025 SCT040 QNH2995INS BECMG 0205/0206 VRB06KT 9999 SKC QNH2998INS TX21/0120Z TN16/0111Z=

TAF MMUN 010455Z 0106/0206 12010KT P6SM SCT015 TX31/0120Z TN26/0109Z BECMG 0111/0113 SKC FM011500 12015KT P6SM SCT015 FM012100 10010KT P6SM SKC BECMG 0203/0204 12008KT P6SM SCT015=

I guess it depends on forecasting capabilities. We can try to find whether there’s some rule in Europe.

LDZA LDVA, Croatia

My guess is two reasons:

- A TAF can be valid for 24 or even more hours. The temperature can easily differ by 20°C during that period. If the forecast is to have any practical use you would need lots of change groups. The examples earlier in this thread show max and min temperatures and the time where they occur. That wouldn’t be very useful unless you happened to use the airport close to those times.
- In some weather situations, minor changes in cloud cover (less than would motivate a change group in the TAF) can have a major effect on temperature.

Last Edited by Airborne_Again at 01 May 07:51
ESKC (Uppsala/Sundbro), Sweden

That wouldn’t be very useful unless you happened to use the airport close to those times.

I don’t think this is exactly correct. If you look at times and temperatures as well as other data in forecast, you can get an idea or an estimate how the temperature will change during the period.

LDZA LDVA, Croatia
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